$10 NLHE 6-max: 3 way 3-bet pots

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Hard to tell what to do in spots like this

HAND ONE

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NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
SB ($10.39) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 10.3% | AGG: 24% | 3-Bet: 0% | hands: 78]
BB ($10) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 57.1% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 9]
UTG ($4.41) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 5.6% | AGG: 50% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 37]
HERO ($10.5) [VPIP: 29.4% | PFR: 24.9% | AGG: 40.9% | 3-Bet: 5.6% | Hands: 1993]
CO ($8.35) [VPIP: 50% | PFR: 35.7% | AGG: 38.1% | 3-Bet: 23.1% | Hands: 28]
BTN ($11.18) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 20.8% | 3-Bet: 3.7% | Hands: 61]

Dealt to Hero: K Q

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.45, CO Raises To $0.95, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.80, HERO Calls $0.45

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.64 effective]
Flop ($2.80): A 5 6
BB Checks, HERO Checks, CO Checks

Turn ($2.80): A 5 6 A
BB Checks, HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.10 (Rem. Stack: 7.30), BB Calls $0.10 (Rem. Stack: 9.0), HERO Calls $0.10 (Rem. Stack: 9.50)

River ($3.10): A 5 6 A 3
BB Bets $0.10 (Rem. Stack: 8.9), HERO Folds, CO Calls $0.10 (Rem. Stack: 7.20)

BB shows: 8 8
CO shows: K T

BB wins: $3.12

HAND TWO (what do we do pre-flop?)

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NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
HJ ($13.09) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 10]
CO ($26.54) [VPIP: 22.6% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 20.8% | 3-Bet: 6.5% | Hands: 597]
BTN ($12.69) [VPIP: 25.8% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 35.1% | 3-Bet: 8% | Hands: 156]
HERO ($10.05) [VPIP: 29.4% | PFR: 24.9% | AGG: 40.8% | 3-Bet: 5.6% | Hands: 2000]
BB ($15.12) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 12.6% | AGG: 19.6% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 107]
UTG ($6.17) [VPIP: 70% | PFR: 30% | AGG: 28.6% | 3-Bet: 20% | Hands: 10]

Dealt to Hero: 9 9

UTG Raises To $0.20, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.50, HERO Calls $0.45, BB Folds, UTG Calls $0.30

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.54 effective]
Flop ($1.60): J K J
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, BTN Bets $0.50 (Rem. Stack: 11.69), HERO Folds, UTG Calls $0.50 (Rem. Stack: 5.17)

Turn ($2.60): J K J 6
UTG Checks, BTN Checks

River ($2.60): J K J 6 6
UTG Checks, BTN Checks

BTN shows: A K
UTG shows: 8 K

BTN wins: $2.46
 
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The first hand, I would call the min bet on turn and river just to get information.
 
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Hand 1
Why are you opening to 4.5BB? Unless there was some kind of table dynamic, this is very large for an online game. I am calling that river bet. Its only 3% of the pot, and you have the nut nothing. I guess its a little more ok to fold, when you have someone else left to act after you, but the whole spot is just silly and not worth wasting to much brain power on.

Hand 2
Fold preflop. You are facing an open and a 3-bet in front of you, and while the sizing is very small, the issue is, the 3-bet has reopened the betting for UTG, so if you call, you are not even sure to see a flop. You could 4-bet, but with 99 that is a bit of an overplay, so the only option left is to simply fold. As played fine with folding on the flop.
 
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Hand 1
Why are you opening to 4.5BB? Unless there was some kind of table dynamic, this is very large for an online game. I am calling that river bet. Its only 3% of the pot, and you have the nut nothing. I guess its a little more ok to fold, when you have someone else left to act after you, but the whole spot is just silly and not worth wasting to much brain power on.

Hand 2
Fold preflop. You are facing an open and a 3-bet in front of you, and while the sizing is very small, the issue is, the 3-bet has reopened the betting for UTG, so if you call, you are not even sure to see a flop. You could 4-bet, but with 99 that is a bit of an overplay, so the only option left is to simply fold. As played fine with folding on the flop.


Hand 1-

CO actually posted that round... at least that's what it shows on my replayer. I always do 3.5 + 1 BB for every limper.

Other than the fold, no mistakes are made? Should I bet for value on the flop? The turn? These guys might call but I still might have the best hand (the nut nothing as you called it)

Most importantly, the preflop play is fine? I hate being in these spots multiway.

Hand 2

I can see a fold pre. The player left to act is very passive here, so we might see a flop, which is why I called. 4 bet doesnt make much sense, you're right.

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I think your preflop play on hand one is ok. Opening with KQo in middle position is fine even if you're playing tight, and you're getting 5/1 pot odds when the action comes back you so I think calling is good. You do have to be aware that you could be in a situation where you're dominated by something like AK or AQ though. It's also a plus that you're closing the action pre. I would call the min bet on the river considering the odds you're getting.

I'm not sure about hand two. I can see what fundiver is saying, UTG raise (albeit a min raise) and then a reraise from button represents significant strength from the other players and then we're playing out of position. As a set mine it's a bit expensive (and we would have to be hoping for a lot of implied odds action). I don't know what the odds of you hitting your set, and the opponent connecting well but worse than you is. It's definitely more than 9:1 though since that's just hitting the set. You could also be hoping for a low card board too i suppose.
 
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The main issue in hand 2 is, that we are not closing action. If we flat, the original raiser has a lot of incentive to 4-bet, because we have essentially announced, we have some kind of middling strength hand, that can not call a 4-bet. If you just never cold call a 3-bet from the blinds, that is a completely fine strategy.
 
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