10$ NL Home Game: K2os flops paired flush draw.

c9h13no3

c9h13no3

Is drawing with AK
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6 players.

Villain #1 is a maniac who loves to bet very marginal holdings, and loves to bet draws. He really can't take 10$ NL seriously because he makes so much money at his job, and he thinks we're poor. However, if he gets raised, or meets with resistance, he will slow down and show more of the true strength of his hand.

Villain #2 is more along the lines of a TAG (with less AG), but he's loosening up. Won't 4-bet pre-flop ever, and is too trappy in his game. Since its not yet late in the night, his hand selection will be fairly tight, for 6 handed at least.

I'm mega-lag as usual, but I'm on a bit of a bad run. I've had a lot of my c-bets raised, and I haven't won a pot yet in about 20-25 hands. And I've been pouting about it as usual, joking that I'm going to tighten up.

Oh, and UTG+1 is the tightest player in our group, so I'm just hoping to take down the pot with a simple raise & c-bet. So I'm not raising with K2os for no reason here, albeit I could have probably picked a better hand to do it with.

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Villain #1 has $16.00
Hero has $7.80
Villain #2 has $12.00

Hero is holding :kh4::2c4:

1 fold
UTG+1 calls $0.10
Hero raises to $0.35
Villain #2 calls $0.35
Villain #1 calls $0.30
BB folds, UTG+1 folds
Pot Size = $1.25

FLOP: :jh4::10h4::2h4:

Villain #1 bets $0.75
Hero....
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Jack Daniels

Jack Daniels

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First of all, irrespective of the detailed profiles given above, fold this PF.

As played, bottom pair and the 2nd nut flush draw = call and see the turn. Calling is fine here since we're not that strong overall, are drawing to potentially the best flush, and aren't worried about the rock behind us raising unless he has a monster.
 
tenbob

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Fold pre-flop, you have a table image that means your big hands will get lots of action. Here, call and hope you get a call or a raise behind you. Id be happy getting it in here if its rasied.
 
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Fold preflop and just call on the flop, but don't get overaggressive here. You could make your flush and lose all your chips to a nut flush, when you're drawing in a spot like this you wanna make sure if you do hit your draw you'll have the best hand. But since the fisrt bettor is so loose you should call and he'll probably pay you off if he makes a lower flush. Ace of hearts 3 of clubs would be a better hand here than K2.
 
c9h13no3

c9h13no3

Is drawing with AK
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Ace of hearts 3 of clubs would be a better hand here than K2.
Not really, since we're a favorite over that hand...

So yeah, it seems like the right play should be a call here. I, on the other hand, had some donkish idea that I wanted to get it in there by raising, or something about the tighter player on my left folding, and seeing a free card on the turn.

Anyways, bad moves preflop & postflop aside, I raised to $2.

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Villain #1 has $16.00
Hero has $7.80
Villain #2 has $12.00

Hero is holding :kh4::2c4:

1 fold
UTG+1 calls $0.10
Hero raises to $0.35
Villain #2 calls $0.35
Villain #1 calls $0.30
BB folds, UTG+1 folds
Pot Size = $1.25

FLOP: :jh4::10h4::2h4:

Villain #1 bets $0.75
Hero raises to $2
Villain #2 calls $2
Villain #1 calls $2
Potsize = $7.25

TURN: :jh4::10h4::2h4::ks4:
Villain #1 bets $3
Hero pukes? Folds? Dumps his remaining $5.45 into a fat 3-way pot?
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Jack Daniels

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Shove. You already have two pair and you're drawing to the 2nd flush (which could be good) as well as a boat. I'm in here with 2 to 1 on my money.
 
c9h13no3

c9h13no3

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Shove. You already have two pair and you're drawing to the 2nd flush (which could be good) as well as a boat. I'm in here with 2 to 1 on my money.
Idk if I would shove so quickly. With the tighter player on my left (villain #2) just calling my raise, I think this slims up his range rather well. He's a very trappy player, and he definately wouldn't raise on the flop with anything that has me beaten, even a set of T's, or a small flush like 3h4h.

However, we have a fairly good draw (3:1) against everything except for an already made nut flush, and if we shove, and we'll get at least 1 caller since villain #1 will be priced in, we'll be getting 2.3:1 on our $. If the tight player calls as well, we'll be getting about the right pot odds to draw to our outs. I'm just worried about how tight the range of our villains has to be to make this a fold, rather than a shove.
 
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