($0.10/$0.25) Flopped a set of K's, lost to a wheel draw on river

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Did I play bad? I feel as though there is something I could have done better. What mistakes did I make?

pokerstars Game #10938494972: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/07/14 - 17:05:35 (ET)
Table 'Arthur' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: PanteraPhil ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Swiitch ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Molasseshead ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: Neo1425 ($14.20 in chips)
Seat 7: haopei ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: wittiblind ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Itz_ ($32.70 in chips)
Itz_: posts small blind $0.10
PanteraPhil: posts big blind $0.25
hyronimus111: sits out
haopei: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to haopei [Kh Kc]
MachoCombo joins the table at seat #1
Swiitch: calls $0.25
Molasseshead: folds
Neo1425: folds
haopei: raises $0.75 to $1
wittiblind: calls $1
Itz_: folds
PanteraPhil: folds
Swiitch: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Kd Ah 2h]
Swiitch: checks
haopei: bets $1.80
wittiblind: calls $1.80
Swiitch: folds
*** TURN *** [Kd Ah 2h] [9s]
haopei: bets $4.60
wittiblind: calls $4.60
*** RIVER *** [Kd Ah 2h 9s] [3s]
haopei: bets $17.60 and is all-in
wittiblind: calls $17.40 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
haopei: shows [Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
wittiblind: shows [5h 4h] (a straight, Ace to Five)
wittiblind collected $48.45 from pot
wittiblind said, "gg thx"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.95 | Rake $2.50
Board [Kd Ah 2h 9s 3s]
Seat 2: PanteraPhil (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Swiitch folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Molasseshead folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Neo1425 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: haopei showed [Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 8: wittiblind (button) showed [5h 4h] and won ($48.45) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 9: Itz_ (small blind) folded before Flop
 
Emperor IX

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Did I play bad? I feel as though there is something I could have done better. What mistakes did I make?

PokerStars Game #10938494972: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/07/14 - 17:05:35 (ET)
Table 'Arthur' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: PanteraPhil ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Swiitch ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Molasseshead ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: Neo1425 ($14.20 in chips)
Seat 7: haopei ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: wittiblind ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Itz_ ($32.70 in chips)
Itz_: posts small blind $0.10
PanteraPhil: posts big blind $0.25
hyronimus111: sits out
haopei: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to haopei [Kh Kc]
MachoCombo joins the table at seat #1
Swiitch: calls $0.25
Molasseshead: folds
Neo1425: folds
haopei: raises $0.75 to $1
wittiblind: calls $1
Itz_: folds
PanteraPhil: folds
Swiitch: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Kd Ah 2h] (Pot=$3.10)
Swiitch: checks
haopei: bets $1.80 (BET MORE)
wittiblind: calls $1.80 (had a heart AND gutshot draw, and good odds all-around to chase)
Swiitch: folds
*** TURN *** [Kd Ah 2h] 9♠
haopei: bets $4.60 (BET MORE)
wittiblind: calls $4.60 (egh)
*** RIVER *** [Kd Ah 2h 9s] 3♠
haopei: bets $17.60 and is all-in
wittiblind: calls $17.40 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
haopei: shows [Kh Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
wittiblind: shows [5h 4h] (a straight, Ace to Five)
wittiblind collected $48.45 from pot
wittiblind said, "gg thx"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.95 | Rake $2.50
Board [Kd Ah 2h 9s 3s]
Seat 2: PanteraPhil (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Swiitch folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Molasseshead folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Neo1425 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: haopei showed [Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 8: wittiblind (button) showed [5h 4h] and won ($48.45) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 9: Itz_ (small blind) folded before Flop


Basically you gave him proper odds, so make sure to watch your bet sizes from now on. At these levels you can't chase someone off the flush by giving them marginaly improper odds, you gotta make more pot sized bets to push people offo f hands like that. I would've bet $3 into the flop, and another $9 maybe on the turn, that should be enough to get him away. If it's not, then you're just going to have to go broke, because a set of kings on a board like that is hard to drop.
 
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You played it just fine really. His PF call was loose IMO, 54sooooooted is just not a good hand.

I think with that draw heavy board, you should have bet a tad more. I know you had a monster, but there are two differnet straight draws and a flush draw out there. I'd have bet from $2.50 to $3.00 to cut the drawing odds more there. Results Oriented: You were about 2.3 to 1 favorite on the flop and $1.80 into a $3.00 pot gives him 2.7 to 1 odds, so in hindsight his flop call was correct.

After the turn card, the draws got a very little help, but not likely. I like the turn bet, $4.60 into the $6.60 pot (could have been a bit more, but not terrible. You're giving him less than 2.5 to 1 here. And are a 3 to 1 favorite. He made a bad call here.

And the river push is fine as well. There's no way you're putting him on 54 here. He'd have to be retarded to be this far. Even if he the flush, it's a crappy one, so that makes his calling along that much worse.

IMO, you get to post this as a bad beat. Even with a correct flop call, he totally misplayed this hand and came from far enough behind to win.
 
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Thanks Emperor IX. I thought I didn't bet the right amount. Do you think my all-in move on the river was a bad choice? I think I should have checked, but the last thing i put him on was a wheel draw. I thought he would have a high ace, or a busted flush draw the most.
 
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You played it just fine really. His PF call was loose IMO, 54sooooooted is just not a good hand.

I think with that draw heavy board, you should have bet a tad more. I know you had a monster, but there are two differnet straight draws and a flush draw out there. I'd have bet from $2.50 to $3.00 to cut the drawing odds more there. Results Oriented: You were about 2.3 to 1 favorite on the flop and $1.80 into a $3.00 pot gives him 2.7 to 1 odds, so in hindsight his flop call was correct.

After the turn card, the draws got a very little help, but not likely. I like the turn bet, $4.60 into the $6.60 pot. You're giving him less than 2.5 to 1 here. And are a 3 to 1 favorite. He made a bad call here.

And the river push is fine as well. There's no way you're putting him on 54 here. He'd have to be retarded to be this far. Even if he the flush, it's a crappy one, so that makes his calling along that much worse.

IMO, you get to post this as a bad beat. Even with a correct flop call, he totally misplayed this hand and came from far enough behind to win.

Thanks JD.

Well so far, I guess I need to learn how not to give opponents the odds to draw. I envy your ability to assess the situation mathematically JD, and at such speed too. :rolleyes:
 
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Nah, I think this was the best bet you made the whole hand.



Interesting... I can't put him on AA unless you have a read that he's super tricky PF. On the flop with your bet he could smooth call as well as turn putting you on AK or KK possibly. But really difficult to put him on AA. The only hand that beats you is 45 and obviously he should NOT be playing this hand this way. You should have bet the turn harder (I don't mind the enticing flop bet) once you knew you had a customer. When no heart comes on the river, I think an all-in for value is the best bet. Only a complete donko would call down with 45.

Don't be results oriented! Bet the turn harder next time, but otherwise, I really think you played this very well.
 
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I think his betting is fine all the way, flop, turn and river.

What needs to be considered is that he has a huge set, and there is an A on board, whick makes you think villain must have 1 since he called the flop bet. This is a situation that you need to milk, worrying only to don't give correct odds on the turn, which he did.

I might be wrong on this but on the flop in a cash game you really can't worry too much about odds when you connect that strong with the board. There are draws yes but your hand can also improve, you have 33% chance to make a FH or better. On the flop I'd only worry about keeping him in and not making him run in that situation with me having a big hand. A feeler bet like the one he made is fine IMO, the ideal would be villain playing back at us but it doesn't happen often. But rather than winning a small pot on the flop I'd try to win a big one at showdown, taking the risk of a small loss by not betting the flop big. Now, if the turn completes a draw you still haven't invested much and you can handle it to fold if you deem it necessary.

On the turn if I don't improve and no draws are completed, then I start worrying about odds. The $4.60 bet he made is just perfect to induce a call from an ace or a draw, to which you're offering less than 2.5 to 1. It really couldn't have been done any better, and the beat is a SICK one.

You deserved better luck than that SM, but as played you'll show a profit in the long run. Same can't be said about villain, who is just a smart-ass donk by his comment on the table.

The only thing that can be said is that since he got paid off implied odds justify his call on the turn, it made it correct, but that's only because he happened to hit a gutshot that was well hidden. The poker gods won't be this kind to him very often though. Read my signature, what counts is the long run.
 
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When i hit trips like that and there is a flush draw or straight draw, i bet ALOT on it. I dont like or want anyone sucking out on me like he did on you. So if i were you i would have bet about 4 or 5 dollars, just too get all the draws out of the way. But thats just me.
 
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I think I would have played the hand the same way you did. Unless you overbet the pots on each round, I don't see how he would have folded his straight flush draw... That 3 of spade just looked harmless and I think you did the right move on the river, he could have had a good ace all along.
 
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