Macho players

Ok what do you do when you are at a table with macho players that think all in is the only way to play. I have that problem at the casino where I play. Normally I wait for high pocket pairs try to thin the field a bit and wait for the all in. But here everyone is all in and because I have no luck with cards someone will flop something better. Case in point, yesterday the best hand I had all night was AKs so I went all in, the only player to call had pocket two's, I lost. That sort of thing happens all the time for me. I am thinking I try to play more aggressive with other hands but I never seem to hit. I am still playing hoping to have a change of luck. Any thoughts

manzanillo53 said:

Ok what do you do when you are at a table with macho players that think all in is the only way to play. I have that problem at the casino where I play. Normally I wait for high pocket pairs try to thin the field a bit and wait for the all in. But here everyone is all in and because I have no luck with cards someone will flop something better. Case in point, yesterday the best hand I had all night was AKs so I went all in, the only player to call had pocket two's, I lost. That sort of thing happens all the time for me. I am thinking I try to play more aggressive with other hands but I never seem to hit. I am still playing hoping to have a change of luck. Any thoughts

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Are you playing cash game at the casino?
Cash game players tend to be more aggressive and I see many of them as gamblers, not poker players.
I suggest some tournament, but if you prefer a cash game, maybe change the casino or wait for some other people to play.

Stevan said:

Are you playing cash game at the casino?
Cash game players tend to be more aggressive and I see many of them as gamblers, not poker players.
I suggest some tournament, but if you prefer a cash game, maybe change the casino or wait for some other people to play.

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Sorry I did not mention it was a tournament. With this type of player, I prefere a cash game because I can sit back and wait for the right opportunity. Whereas in a tournament, in the later stages the antes eat away at your stack as they did last night and my first good hand was AKs. Seriously I was getting unsuited 3 and 9's most of the night. Like someone once said," I rather have luck then skill".

Hi
I too play live cash games.

Mostly 100$ buy in

In cash games any 2 cards could win but you have to be ready to lose.

I know players who will bet you all the way to the river just to catch a str8 or flush and fold on the final bet

They go or call all in with any suited or connected cards.

And yes they are there to gamble.
Not liesure players to play some fun poker.

You have to call with a range like TT+ / AQo+

In my opinion trying to play against such gamblers is very annoying. I never played live poker, but I think reading those players is the key. There are severall Books to train those reading skills such as books about NLP or so. But if your opponent is really a gambler he maybe doesn't know about odds and so even reading him wouldn't help. I think I would look for another place or tournament, were the players play nice poker and you are going to have fun.

Judging by what I read, one can conclude that you are often losing money. If this is not a problem for you, then you can continue. But in my opinion, it is much better to focus on specific goals. Try playing less, but try to play better.

If anybody is too aggressive obviously part of the time he is bluffing. So just wait till you have strong hand and pay the all in.

neptun1914 said:

If anybody is too aggressive obviously part of the time he is bluffing. So just wait till you have strong hand and pay the all in.

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Yes, Thanks, That is what I do in a cash game. But in tour play antes get me before I ever get big hand to call his all in. Just luck of the cards.

Rudeness

If it is annoying to find yourself with that type of players, but personally it is good to find them because you learn different forms of players and to play. When you play these games again even if you do not have enough luck, the best thing would be to show rudeness before the game, not bend, you will show confidence in yourself, and your opponents will think twice before being macho again in the game. If luck is not with you, the best thing would be to simply change the casino and try one that gives you more luck.

theres only one macho player

Hello

with them to do nothing, these people get pleasure from it, they do not care about the right game)

You need quite alot of luck to go deep in a tournament as well as playing good poker ofcourse. Any time ive had a deep run in a large tournament though ive had to be on the right side of a handfull of coinflips and possibly even suck out a few times. There really isnt much you can do if your playing the hands correctly the rest is out of your hands.

I like those types of players (usually) because you can exploit their loose playing to our own advantage. Just gotta wait for the right cards to do so.

pawelmad9 said:

theres only one macho player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKR1rrjvq-I

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He is too funny Remi.

When someone buys into a tournament, they've bought the right to play your hands any way you like. They can fold every hand, take every flop, or shove preflop every time.

Your goal is not to get annoyed at what their doing, but instead just to think about the best way to adjust. After all, if what they're doing is a good strategy, then it makes sense they're doing it. If it's a bad strategy, that means this player will lose a lot of money in the long run, and they may as well lose that money to you!

In this case, if an opponent is shoving in literally every hand (this probably isn't the case, but just as a hypothetical), then you should call much wider than normal. The exact range will depend on how deep you guys are and positions.

For example, if he shoves his 10bb stack in the small blind, you can happily call with a hand like K2o. If he shoves a 100bb stack under-the-gun, and you are next to act, then you might only call with 99+, AQ+, and AJs because of all the remaining players who might wake up with a real hand and call both of you.

So remember: Keep calm and adjust, and even if it's frustrating sometimes in the short term, you'll come out nicely ahead in the long run

manzanillo53 said:

Ok what do you do when you are at a table with macho players that think all in is the only way to play. I have that problem at the casino where I play. Normally I wait for high pocket pairs try to thin the field a bit and wait for the all in. But here everyone is all in and because I have no luck with cards someone will flop something better. Case in point, yesterday the best hand I had all night was AKs so I went all in, the only player to call had pocket two's, I lost. That sort of thing happens all the time for me. I am thinking I try to play more aggressive with other hands but I never seem to hit. I am still playing hoping to have a change of luck. Any thoughts

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Pocket twos isn't as terrible as it sounds though. Obviously with multiple callers, pocket twos isn't so hot. However, with only one caller to you, this is essentially heads up at this point. With the all-in called, pocket twos is actually about equal to Ace-King suited. If you are facing all-in shoves way too frequently, then you will have to adapt your calling range. As the most recent post highlights though, you do not necessarily need to wait for nut-ish hands; frequent shoves means they are going in with a looser range.

What I would like to know is after you went all-in with AKs, how many players were left to act? Was the caller with the pocket 2 hand one of the last to act, or were they the player just after you? If they were later to act (meaning they had a better idea they would go heads-up against you), then I can understand their reasoning a little bit. If they acted just after you (with several players after them), then going in with the small pocket pair becomes more and more questionable on their part.

Phoenix Wright said:

Pocket twos isn't as terrible as it sounds though. Obviously with multiple callers, pocket twos isn't so hot. However, with only one caller to you, this is essentially heads up at this point. With the all-in called, pocket twos is actually about equal to Ace-King suited. If you are facing all-in shoves way too frequently, then you will have to adapt your calling range. As the most recent post highlights though, you do not necessarily need to wait for nut-ish hands; frequent shoves means they are going in with a looser range.

What I would like to know is after you went all-in with AKs, how many players were left to act? Was the caller with the pocket 2 hand one of the last to act, or were they the player just after you? If they were later to act (meaning they had a better idea they would go heads-up against you), then I can understand their reasoning a little bit. If they acted just after you (with several players after them), then going in with the small pocket pair becomes more and more questionable on their part.

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The pocket 2's caller was the next player with three players to follow.

There is a reason it's called a donkament. Just try to pick your spots. Have fun.