Sick of being called a donkey lolol

Why am i classed as bad player?
Is it because i have no fear when playing a hand with bad cards?
Its 2019 now and almost every player believes that you should 3bet with a decent hand. I think this is too predictable.
But when i do it with a K5 off suit and the flop was 552 Q7 I sometimes hit!!

How is that any different then having AQ and the flop was QQ2 58

PS only asking out of curiosity.
N yes I do know that Premium hands give you a higher chance of winning the hand but sometimes you can miss that flop altogether and if you commited a third if your stack to your AK and miss then shouldn't you think also . that that was bad play? Or was it just bad luck

Holdem is a 7 card game and people name calling get too attached to two cards
Then Omaha very hard to win with AA**:damnmate:
Debi might be able to change username if sick of being called donkey.:hahaha:
Nice thread.:top:

How much do you win with this approach?
There will be many hands where they will have the highest pair or domination.

donkey2019 said:

Why am i classed as bad player?
Is it because i have no fear when playing a hand with bad cards?
Its 2019 now and almost every player believes that you should 3bet with a decent hand. I think this is too predictable.
But when i do it with a K5 off suit and the flop was 552 Q7 I sometimes hit!!

How is that any different then having AQ and the flop was QQ2 58

PS only asking out of curiosity.
N yes I do know that Premium hands give you a higher chance of winning the hand but sometimes you can miss that flop altogether and if you commited a third if your stack to your AK and miss then shouldn't you think also . that that was bad play? Or was it just bad luck

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There are many articles in the poker strategy section of the forum. Theoretical and mathematical aspects of the game are well explained there... It's sad to see that people are coming to the forum just to type number of posts to join the club and play freerolls, instead of learning the game better. However it's still nice to see such players at the table, during the tourney, calling your pre-flop bet with K5o...

Poker hand in Holdem is 5 cards, deck is 52 cards, you have 2 pocket cards and 5 community cards to make the 5 card hand during flop-turn-river-SD.
So if you'll calculate things or just read the articles you will understand that you have less than 15% chance to hit a set on flop having a pocket pair. It doesn't mean that it will happen once during every 7 deals, you might not flop a set during 100 deals, cause it's 7 to 1.

in your case, you've flopped a set with pocket K5.

now do the homework, and you'll have the answer.
- what odds (%) do you have to hit a set on flop with just 1 card?
- is it EV+ decision to spend 100bb stack for calling each bet with any two cards to see if you will hit some set, straigh or flush?

When you'll do this homework and find those articles with explanations, you might discover new articles and will find answers to the questions you've asked.

GL:2in1:

finaltable1 said:

There are many articles in the Poker Strategy section of the forum. Theoretical and mathematical aspects of the game are well explained there... It's sad to see that people are coming to the forum just to type number of posts to join the club and play freerolls, instead of learning the game better. However it's still nice to see such players at the table, during the tourney, calling your pre-flop bet with K5o...

Poker hand in Holdem is 5 cards, deck is 52 cards, you have 2 pocket cards and 5 community cards to make the 5 card hand during flop-turn-river-SD.
So if you'll calculate things or just read the articles you will understand that you have less than 15% chance to hit a set on flop having a pocket pair. It doesn't mean that it will happen once during every 7 deals, you might not flop a set during 100 deals, cause it's 7 to 1.

in your case, you've flopped a set with pocket K5.

now do the homework, and you'll have the answer.
- what odds (%) do you have to hit a set on flop with just 1 card?
- is it EV+ decision to spend 100bb stack for calling each bet with any two cards to see if you will hit some set, straigh or flush?

When you'll do this homework and find those articles with explanations, you might discover new articles and will find answers to the questions you've asked.

GL:2in1:

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Hi There
Very good explanation and lesson
As far as we have some donkeys playing the better
Don´t you think so?
Rgds

hugh blair said:

Holdem is a 7 card game and people name calling get too attached to two cards
Then Omaha very hard to win with AA**:damnmate:
Debi might be able to change username if sick of being called donkey.:hahaha:
Nice thread.:top:

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No I'll never change my donkey name it suits me fine lolol i was more getting at why people who call with hands like similar cards get classed as bad players when they win a hand as you can have the better starting hand like premiums and miss yet some players will call it bad luck and not see that winning with the rubbishy cards could be classed as excellent play had they worked out the odds of hitting with the bad cards was done better then the opponents calculations to hit with the premium hand. May be confusing to some lolol. Hyt I gt what I mean

#yall_needa_lern_donkey_calculations lolol

donkey2019 said:

No I'll never change my donkey name it suits me fine lolol May be confusing to some lolol. Hyt I gt what I mean #yall_needa_lern_donkey_calculations lolol

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I Love it, Donkeys are Awesome... I My Self Like to Play "Drunken Donkey Style" It Totally throws Your Opponents... Just Three Tournaments Playing You Have Them Thinking They Know How You Play lol Donkey Style Then One Day You're KO-ing Them and Leaving them for dead lol History Teaches Us... Don't read a Book By It's Cover...

4eKuCT said:

How much do you win with this approach?
There will be many hands where they will have the highest pair or domination.

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To be honest
I have a broader range than most
And it really depends on my stack and the stage if the tournament.
Example = starting stack 3000 and blinds are 20/40 I'm likely to call with everything preflop and fold to any raise unless I have a reasonable chance of improving.

However as the blinds increase I'm likely to fold preflop unless I've seen the flop and have a minimum of a pair or straight and flush draw. The results obviously vary. But sometimes you hit monsters and people just can't seem to phathom y I would even of called on the preflop blind

Inequitas said:

I Love it, Donkeys are Awesome... I My Self Like to Play "Drunken Donkey Style" It Totally throws Your Opponents... Just Three Tournaments Playing You Have Them Thinking They Know How You Play lol Donkey Style Then One Day You're KO-ing Them and Leaving them for dead lol

History Teaches Us... Don't read a Book By It's Cover...

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#hell_yesss@drunken_donky_styles lolol

4eKuCT said:

How much do you win with this approach?
There will be many hands where they will have the highest pair or domination.

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Tbh I'm not keen on online tournies as much nowadays I like cash table games. Much faster and better results

I mean you play at poker stars in a 10hour tourny etc only to possibly win your money back but as cash tables you can make all of your lost bankrolls back in one hand

donkey2019 said:

To be honest
I have a broader range than most
And it really depends on my stack and the stage if the tournament.
Example = starting stack 3000 and blinds are 20/40 I'm likely to call with everything preflop and fold to any raise unless I have a reasonable chance of improving.

However as the blinds increase I'm likely to fold preflop unless I've seen the flop and have a minimum of a pair or straight and flush draw. The results obviously vary. But sometimes you hit monsters and people just can't seem to phathom y I would even of called on the preflop blind

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You will lose too much while you wait for the moment you describe. Loose passive is the worth pattern.

molokheia said:

Hi There
Very good explanation and lesson
As far as we have some donkeys playing the better
Don´t you think so?
Rgds

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No, I don't think so.

Someone said that the chain is as strong as it's weakest link, and if you'll think about it - the idea of this forum is to help the players to improve.

It shocks me when I see CC members calling pre-flop 20-30% of their stack out of position with some trash hand. I consider this as a waste of yours and other peoples time. Why?
For example 36 or 45 players will win, what matters is how will they do it. If one of the players luckboxes and wins $20 for the first place by playing K5 and Q7 this is a pure waste by my opinion. And the sad truth is that after 100 attempts he will win once with such play. What happens next? He goes for bounty-turbo-rebuy MTTs and spends these money like a sponsor of the prize pool there. Instead of using CC games as a opportunity of free play in the MTTs such players are wasting the time of the community. They're not improving their own game and not improving the gameplay of other participants. Poker has luck factor and most patient and smart often loses to the luckiest, bad side of the coin is that lucky player isn't always knows what he's doing and wastes his time,energy and money in the long time, together with the resources of the community.

Let's think of a non poker example: We study the car and learn how to drive it, learn the rules and get a license before purchasing and driving it. This is the correct order of things. But this post is about driving with no license and with no idea about the traffic rules, guy is pressing the pedal with no idea what he's doing. Will it be good for the traffic at our street, even if you're a cop... you want to arrest him, but there is a traffic jam behind this driver and you have no chance to catch him...

Personally I would like to read more posts like "Thanks CC, I've won 10K in sunday storm after winning 25$ in CC freerolls" than posts like this one.

Read the articles, learn the game better and shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.

donkey2019 said:

#hell_yesss@drunken_donky_styles lolol

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You must buy a Ferrari using your poker winnings and change the logo to this one.


or this one

Ill jam with K5s if I open short stacked, but I wont call with it. I guess that may make me part donkey?

You should also add K2o to your opens but only if you truly strive to be king donkey as it increases your chances to make one more flush than playing suited cards and youll increase your straight range to both high and low straights.

ChickenArise said:

Ill jam with K5s if I open short stacked, but I wont call with it. I guess that may make me part donkey?

You should also add K2o to your opens but only if you truly strive to be king donkey as it increases your chances to make one more flush than playing suited cards and youll increase your straight range to both high and low straights.

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You guys are discussing how you're playing the cards, some players are trying to play the players and read opponents through the monitor. Ok sometimes it works... maybe.

but

The real world is little bit different... it's not the best or worst pre-flop hand wins the money in MTT. It's not your reads/tells and it's not the luck or skill. All of these factors are donating a micro increase to the main factor = the time. It's quite obvious, but maybe it's impossible to understand for some.?
Let's think of some example:
The tourney lasts 7,5 hours. 4,5 hours till the money, 1.5 of 4,5 is late registration. 1 hour of remaining 3 is the final table.
Let's say that 3 hours and 45 minutes have passed, and you know that 45 minutes later you'll be in the money. You've just lost a hand and have 6bb stack left, you get K5 or K2, what's your move? All-in? That's the stupidest thing to do. I'd rather be blinded out than showing with K5.

And in my past experience I've won $700 in a $5 buy-in tourney after having less than 2bb stack before the bubble, and average stack was 40bb. Many times reached the final table climbing up from 5bb stack to the chiplead. Many times been sitting for 1,5-2 hours with no action at all, just fold-fold-fold and fold that AJ, those ugly cards, they're good enough for drunks or newbies.. Sitting an hour without making a move is a usual thing. Playing much more loose in the freerolls, but what I consider a loose gameplay is actually a tight play for some, playing JK and even showing with it if it's suited is a normal occasion for some..
You see - by waiting for premium hands you're shooting 2 rabbits with 1 shot, 1) you're waiting for others to lose and leave and 2) you're waiting for the hand that will give you best chances to win the pot, so when you're short stacked with premium hand then most likely someone will call your all-in pre with speculative or weak hand, and isn't it great to have 80 to 20 chances to win? roulette is 53/47 and casino owners are multi-millionaires.

And what? WE are discussing K5 and K2 here? That's sick.

I have a good advice. If you're nervous or tilted and can't wait to play a hand, and this is the reason why you're playing trash cards often, then try to play 9 or 12 tables at the same time and just wait ONLY for the premium hands, they will be dealt at one of 12 tables every 2-5 minutes, so you won't have to wait too long to gamble.

GL

finaltable1 said:

You see - by waiting for premium hands you're shooting 2 rabbits with 1 shot, 1) you're waiting for others to lose and leave and 2) you're waiting for the hand that will give you best chances to win the pot, so when you're short stacked with premium hand then most likely someone will call your all-in pre with speculative or weak hand, and isn't it great to have 80 to 20 chances to win? Roulette is 53/47 and casino owners are multi-millionaires.

GL

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And once you get those premium hands i just fold to your bets and meanwhile i would have stolen many of your blinds when you had bad hands with same or worst hands , this isnt the best advice , you wont take down tournaments with just playing premium hands unless you are really lucky ! you cant get in with a range preset and play according to it like a robot and expect to win the blinds would get higher at some point and you would have missed a lot of good spots playing that tight , you need to get reads on your opponents , steal some pots , bluff and spot bluffs , and to be able to do all that you need to adjust your game to the table you are playing in and pick tendencies on the other players and then you tighten or loosen your range depending on the positions and oppostitions. and have fun while doing it

donkey2019 said:

Why am i classed as bad player?
Is it because i have no fear when playing a hand with bad cards?
Its 2019 now and almost every player believes that you should 3bet with a decent hand. I think this is too predictable.
But when i do it with a K5 off suit and the flop was 552 Q7 I sometimes hit!!

How is that any different then having AQ and the flop was QQ2 58

PS only asking out of curiosity.
N yes I do know that Premium hands give you a higher chance of winning the hand but sometimes you can miss that flop altogether and if you commited a third if your stack to your AK and miss then shouldn't you think also . that that was bad play? Or was it just bad luck

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i guess because on the long run you would bleed more chips than what youd earn playing such cards , but if you want to be deceiving on your game and keep them guessing when you 3bet do it with suited connectors 98 and such hands which can turn into double pairs , flushs , straights and beat the premium hands not with K5o that would hurt you in the long run.

Lolol

weezy1312 said:

i guess because on the long run you would bleed more chips than what youd earn playing such cards , but if you want to be deceiving on your game and keep them guessing when you 3bet do it with suited connectors 98 and such hands which can turn into double pairs , flushs , straights and beat the premium hands not with K5o that would hurt you in the long run.

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I do not make calls like this in every hand.
BT I do think its really funny beating premiums but my favoritest hand is
J sh off lolol

donkey2019 said:

I do not make calls like this in every hand.
BT I do think its really funny beating premiums but my favoritest hand is
J sh off lolol

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i meant K5o throw it 100% of the time ^^ never play it

You didn't want to bluff but play your hand seriously, right?

Guess it's important to understand that Poker has very much to do with math and statistics.

You can be lucky to win with K5o, yeah, of course. But it's not a good choice as you were not the Big Blind. How many times don't you even hit one pair? There's not much else you can hit with K5o but pairs. So: Poor hand.

You could scare your opponents with 3-bets here, yepp.

But: Your opponents could have the really good ones. AA, KK. They would overcall you and you lose your chips.

So: Stop playing those hands like good hands and you will lose your donk-title.

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And once you get those premium hands i just fold to your bets and meanwhile i would have stolen many of your blinds when you had bad hands with same or worst hands ,

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Sure buddy, sure.:rock:

"And once grandma realised that she has a penis, she quits wearing a skirt and starts playing baseball" :captain:
You sound like we're playing heads up, i'm waiting for KK-AA, and you're stealing my stack with 7-2 and K3:girlshit:

this isnt the best advice , you wont take down tournaments with just playing premium hands unless you are really lucky ! you cant get in with a range preset and play according to it like a robot and expect to win the blinds would get higher at some point and you would have missed a lot of good spots playing that tight , you need to get reads on your opponents , steal some pots , bluff and spot bluffs , and to be able to do all that you need to adjust your game to the table you are playing in and pick tendencies on the other players and then you tighten or loosen your range depending on the positions and oppostitions. and have fun while doing it

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"Bluff, steal, reads, tighten, loosen" omg you need to be a poker commentary on TV with jokes like that. Do you ever hit the money with such dispersion? Must be praying 3 hours per day, wear a rabbits paw and keep fingers crossed while pressing the mouse to win something by playing this way

In general, above text sounds like a tilt. You're representing a noisy image at the table, a disturbing player who does not want to show his cards. When you hit a tight table or when you hit a tight opponent at loose table - you're normally out of the tournament. And I only mean that he has pocket overpair to your pocket AQ-AJ and such.

So basically you're trying to say that you're often playing against opponents who don't want to go to showdown and allow you to steal their chips using your bluffs, and your opponents believe you, because you're in position and you look like you're representing the nuts? And they're also too dumb to let you read their cards, cause you're reading faces over the monitor. Am I getting your message correctly?

And also, I believe that you're making a typical beginners mistake, you're thinking that premium hands are KK-AA? right? I can agree with you in one single case, if my stack is under 40bb and there is less than 2 hours left till the money at normal speed. In other cases, if my stack is above 100bb, then the premium hand is any nut hand, for example 8 high straigh on K 7 8 4 2 is a premium hand with pocket 56s against some AK or KQ. So think about preflop and postflop tightness, I believe that you're getting things incorrectly.

You have to decide, what you're playing for? Are you playing to win, or you're playing to have fun jumping up and down, playing hide'n'seek games with fingers crossed? Outs-shmouts, bluffs, reads - forget about this BS, and ask yourself, do you understand why the dealer in blackjack stops at 17 and the casino is always in profit? Do you understand why there is 37 numbers (36+zero) at roulette table and the payout 35 to 1 for the number or 2 to 1 for the black\red or odd/even? Because it was well calculated long time ago, and that's why casino earns profit in the long run. Can you make a stable profit in the long run by playing online poker like you're recommending with such crazy dispersion? I believe that you can only have some fun by doing this and in the long run you'll keep depositing without a chance to win something big. And no need to compare real life poker that you see on TV with online poker. It's two different games.:rock:

K5 is good in just 2 cases.
1) Your stack is much greater than 100bb, and you're having blind and have to add 0.5 or 1bb to see the flop. so the preflop bet was 2bb or just a limp, and you have 50% invested, so with a large stack you're kinda commited to adding another 50% to see the flop.

2) If you're at SB with large stack, against a BB with tiny stack during bubble time. It's like opponent has 6bb stack and was folding all hands during past 20 minutes, Your stack is 30bb+ and you're betting 3bb to steal his blind + antes, you can even easily call his 6bb all-in after investing 3bb with a raise, ofc if he'll decide to risk it.

I can't imagine some other situation at the 8-9max table in the tournament where K5 can be useful or good option.

Feeling lucky? Well luck is a good thing, but it ends sometimes, and if you hit a set on flop with your K5, try to guess what will happen if luck will change and your opponent his 8 on the river having pocket 88. Your preparing a trap for yourself with hand like K5, specially offsuited, and well, suited too.

finaltable1 said:

Do you ever hit the money with such dispersion? Must be praying 3 hours per day, wear a rabbits paw and keep fingers crossed while pressing the mouse to win something by playing this way

cause you're reading faces over the monitor. Am I getting your message correctly?

And also, I believe that you're making a typical beginners mistake, you're thinking that premium hands are KK-AA? right?

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I once did min cash in the cc freeroll but i believe in my game ) if you believe you can achieve ) and no i am not reading faces over the monitor , i am picking betting patterns on opponents and getting a read from their bets/checks , and premium hands are : AA, KK, AKo , AQo , AKs , AQs, Ajs , ATs , KQs, KJs, KTs,QQ,QJs,QTs,JJ,TT.

finaltable1 said:

Let's say that 3 hours and 45 minutes have passed, and you know that 45 minutes later you'll be in the money. You've just lost a hand and have 6bb stack left, you get K5 or K2, what's your move? All-in? That's the stupidest thing to do. I'd rather be blinded out than showing with K5.

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And what? WE are discussing K5 and K2 here? That's sick.



GL

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The K2 was a joke.

That said I am serious about K5s being a push hand from the button. With 6BB remaining how will you survive 45 minutes to the money? On the slim chance that you do, you are min cashing at best. I am confident the push fold charts would push K5s from the button or SB, maybe even the cutoff.

having a wide range is considered being donkey. using position reads and timing is the difference