Pokerstars glitch??

Spaceman · Jun 21, 2018

So, I am curious, is it a glitch or I really cant shove here because of some unknown poker rule?

The two players behind me limped in or maybe min-raise, and I raised from Cut-off to 100, button shove all-in for 178, the limpers flat called, and the only option I had was either fold or call. Whats the reason I can't shove here?

hugh blair · Jun 21, 2018

Haha push it in of course but might lose though

korneel · Jun 21, 2018

I don't know this rule 100%, but i has to do with the button shove all-in.
Since his all-in was lower then the minraise (which was 180 here), no one can reraise since the all-in didn't qualify as a 'real' raise.

I'm sure someone can explain it better, but that's my explanation for this situation

Spaceman · Jun 21, 2018

hugh blair said:
Haha push it in of course but might lose though

I cant mate, the betting bar is missing.

Spaceman · Jun 21, 2018

korneel said:
I don't know this rule 100%, but i has to do with the button shove all-in.
Since his all-in was lower then the minraise (which was 180 here), no one can reraise since the all-in didn't qualify as a 'real' raise.

I'm sure someone can explain it better, but that's my explanation for this situation

Oh, thanks for the explanation! That makes sense. I'll just wait to see if anybody confirms it, but its probably what you've said!

Spaceman · Jun 21, 2018

Ok I will look like a completely fool here, but its better to ask and be fool for once, than not to and be a fool forever.

Since I've raised 100, the min raise should be 200 right? So, if instead of raising him 100, I raised 80 so the min raise would be 160, then if he shoved with his 178 I should be able to re-shove right?

elflake · Jun 23, 2018

As you've explained it, the raise was 80 but that puts his raise needing to be to 180 because of a previous raise. Were the blinds 5-10 ? If so there had been a raise before. Maybe the game had a three-raise limit ? The first explanation is sufficient, because he has to bet 180 to make a full 80 raise.

henriquemaduro · Jun 23, 2018

korneel said:
I don't know this rule 100%, but i has to do with the button shove all-in.
Since his all-in was lower then the minraise (which was 180 here), no one can reraise since the all-in didn't qualify as a 'real' raise.

I'm sure someone can explain it better, but that's my explanation for this situation

thats it.

If he wasnt the button, someone after him could raise.

hugh blair · Jun 23, 2018

Spaceman said:
I cant mate, the betting bar is missing.

Holy cow I would complain post this picture to stars support might compensate you with a ticket or something good luck.

Stars support will have the answer was it just this one hand if it was maybe reraise not posssible or multiple hands all day?

Spaceman · Jun 23, 2018

elflake said:
As you've explained it, the raise was 80 but that puts his raise needing to be to 180 because of a previous raise. Were the blinds 5-10 ? If so there had been a raise before. Maybe the game had a three-raise limit ? The first explanation is sufficient, because he has to bet 180 to make a full 80 raise.

The blinds were 10/20 but he is on the button. I raised 100. But dont answer in that, why if my raise would be 80, then his min-raise is 180?

Spaceman · Jun 23, 2018

hugh blair said:
Holy cow I would complain post this picture to stars support might compensate you with a ticket or something good luck.
Stars support will have the answer was it just this one hand if it was maybe reraise not posssible or multiple hands all day?

Its not a glitch probably. Just that hand.

Tammy · Jun 23, 2018

And this was just a regular, NLHE tournament? That is really strange. I've never seen that before, or heard of whatever button rule the gents are talking about above. I would definitely ask Stars about it, just to see what they say. You would need the hand #. Do you have the hand # ...erm...handy?

I would like to take a look at the full hand history text.

Spaceman · Jun 23, 2018

juiceeQ said:
And this was just a regular, NLHE tournament? That is really strange. I've never seen that before, or heard of whatever button rule the gents are talking about above. I would definitely ask Stars about it, just to see what they say. You would need the hand #. Do you have the hand # ...erm...handy? I would like to take a look at the full hand history text.

Thank youuuuu!! I was really hoping for some help from an expert to clear this up. But.... I am really playing from my phone, so to be honest, I dont know if it is possible to find the number of the hand. The only thing I know its the # of tournament, and thats because of the screenshot really.

It is surely a NLHE freeroll, it says it on the screenshot. Well, its a 50$ freeroll, so its not pokerstars league freerolls, but from a site I dont know if I can say the name here.

Tammy · Jun 23, 2018

Spaceman said:
Thank youuuuu!! I was really hoping for some help from an expert to clear this up. But.... I am really playing from my phone, so to be honest, I dont know if it is possible to find the number of the hand. The only thing I know its the # of tournament, and thats because of the screenshot really.

It is surely a NLHE freeroll, it says it on the screenshot. Well, its a 50$ freeroll, so its not Pokerstars league freerolls. I only play at two others freerolls but I dont know if its ok to say the names.

It was pretty early on in the tournament? If you have the tournament #, I think you can request hand histories for the whole thing. Go ahead and post the tournament ID here. I won't be able to check until tomorrow, or maybe Monday or Tues., but maybe someone else my see it and look. Just seems strange that it wouldn't allow you to shove over the top. It would have just made a side pot for you and the other two players.

Spaceman · Jun 23, 2018

juiceeQ said:
It was pretty early on in the tournament? If you have the tournament #, I think you can request hand histories for the whole thing. Go ahead and post the tournament ID here. I won't be able to check until tomorrow, or maybe Monday or Tues., but maybe someone else my see it and look. Just seems strange that it wouldn't allow you to shove over the top. It would have just made a side pot for you and the other two players.

Yep, the blinds were just 10/20. I think it was like the fifth hand I participated in.

The tournament # decoding from the screenshot is #2286544094. At least that is what it looks like. I played the freeroll at 20th of June.

Spaceman · Jun 23, 2018

Back to basics

Just to clarify the minimum reraise.

We are talking about No Limit here.

With blinds 10/20. If I raise to 80, the minimum reraise is 100 not 160 and not 180. Am I right?

moots · Jun 23, 2018

Its not a glitch.

edit: not sure what happened in the beginning, but the shortstack pushed all in, but didn't have enough for a full raise. So no one can re-raise, only call or fold.

2nd edit - found this:

Here is Rule 41 of the TDA :

41: Raises

A: A raise must be at least the size of the largest previous bet or raise of the current betting round. If a player raises 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he must make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

B: In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in wager of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted and is not facing at least a full raise when the action returns to him. In limit, at least 50% of a full raise is required to re-open betting for players who have already acted. See Illustration Addendum.

Spaceman · Jun 24, 2018

moots said:
Its not a glitch.

edit: not sure what happened in the beginning, but the shortstack pushed all in, but didn't have enough for a full raise. So no one can re-raise, only call or fold.

2nd edit - found this:

Here is Rule 41 of the TDA :

41: Raises

A: A raise must be at least the size of the largest previous bet or raise of the current betting round. If a player raises 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he must make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed.

B: In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in wager of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted and is not facing at least a full raise when the action returns to him. In limit, at least 50% of a full raise is required to re-open betting for players who have already acted. See Illustration Addendum.

Ok. But wouldnt a full raise bet to my 100 bet be just 120? Or because his 178 is not 180, so there is not exactly 9 big blinds but nor 8, its not a full bet?

gabpoker · Jun 24, 2018

You raised to 100 making the raise with 80 or 90 depending on if the early positions limped or min raised. There for a raise need to be to a total of 180 or 190 to reopen betting.

Spaceman · Jun 24, 2018

gabpoker said:
making the raise with 80 or 90 depending on if the early positions limped or min raised.

Lost you in translation. Could you explain that part again?

gabpoker · Jun 24, 2018

So lets say a player before you made it 20 because that is what it looks like in your image. You make it 100 which is 80 more than the 20.

So for betting to be reopened the all in player would need to make it at least 180. Since he only had 178 betting no one can re-raise.

Spaceman · Jun 24, 2018

gabpoker said:
So lets say a player before you made it 20 because that is what it looks like in your image. You make it 100 which is 80 more than the 20.

So for betting to be reopened the all in player would need to make it at least 180. Since he only had 178 betting no one can re-raise.

Ok. So we are back at my second question, that I obviously messed up.

So, if I raised to 80 instead of 100, and the short stack shoved with 178, the betting would be reopened so then I could shove or re-raise right?

gabpoker · Jun 24, 2018

Yes that is correct.

Spaceman · Jun 24, 2018

gabpoker said:
Yes that is correct.

So a full raise is the difference between my raise compared to last bet?

gabpoker · Jun 24, 2018

Yesa full raise has to be at least as big as your raise. Think of it this way. Your raise = Your bet - the amount it would be to call.

Does that make sense?

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