WSOP Investigates Cheating Allegations in $10K Heads-Up Championship

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https://www.cardschat.com/news/valeriu-coca-accused-by-pros-of-cheating-in-wsop-10k-heads-up-12149

This is a very interesting read.. I wonder what would happen if it was found out he was cheating.

Unfortunately its too hard to do background checks on EVERY player, but this player having been banned from casinos in prague for marking cards sure makes this harder for him to prove innocence.


I agree to an extent.

From a PR viewpoint it certainly makes it hard to convince people of your innocence. Even if he was accused of doing it before and wasn't convicted or have been banned it becomes harder to convince people from a PR perspective with more and separate allegations.

Just because he has done it before doesn't or shouldn't mean it should be harder for him to get a fair investigation. Meaning they will need evidence of cheating for this instance in order to do anything (At least legally).

I do believe in innocent in till proven guilty (most of the time - some of the times?) but as a person reading the story I'm thinking "He cheated".

As for back ground checks I think most casinos do a pretty good job of working together and using technology to keep integrity in the games. Though I agree it is nearly impossible to stop them all especially before the fact.
 
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I agree to an extent.

From a PR viewpoint it certainly makes it hard to convince people of your innocence. Even if he was accused of doing it before and wasn't convicted or have been banned it becomes harder to convince people from a PR perspective with more and separate allegations.

Just because he has done it before doesn't or shouldn't mean it should be harder for him to get a fair investigation. Meaning they will need evidence of cheating for this instance in order to do anything (At least legally).

I do believe in innocent in till proven guilty (most of the time - some of the times?) but as a person reading the story I'm thinking "He cheated".

As for back ground checks I think most casinos do a pretty good job of working together and using technology to keep integrity in the games. Though I agree it is nearly impossible to stop them all especially before the fact.


Yeah, he obviously does deserve a fair investigation , but his past will definately be looked at. No, he might not have done it again, but he's definately capable of doing it. I wonder if they'll release the camera footage of it? I'm sure it'll end up somewhere, be itnerestign to watch his play.
 
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Still waiting for the first shred of hard evidence. It sounds a little like sour grapes to me.
 
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Dude, I read the post from Connor and Pratyush on twoplustwo forum, and to be honest the Coca guy looks suspicious. If I were on a table with him or any of the likes, and someone did the same, like waste a lot of time and keep checking their hand from different angles, I would have pointed it out. Only had they known earlier.
Against a habitual cheater, I'm not taking any chances and its the right thing to do, to lodge a formal complaint.
 
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So the onus is on him to 'prove his innocence'?

If there's an investigation, he'll have his say? And with his past, it's going to be alot harder for him to come across as innocent.

Also, you can defend him all you like, but it's players like this that give the game a bad name, and if he really was cheating, it could be very bad PR for the wsop...
 
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If there's an investigation, he'll have his say? And with his past, it's going to be alot harder for him to come across as innocent.

Also, you can defend him all you like, but it's players like this that give the game a bad name, and if he really was cheating, it could be very bad PR for the WSOP...

I'm not defending him at all! (Please do not put words into my mouth)

imo, I think there's obviously something suspicious & if he's guilty I really do hope they find some evidence & prove it! (this is only going from what I've read on WSOP reports & some other pokernews reports re: the player's observations & comments about such). From the limited reading I did on it (I've been following WSOP quite closely, ie. have watched most of the live streaming so far this year, etc.) I think the guy seems pretty scummy & 'if' they find evidence of his guilt, I hope they fk him up.

I just always thought it was innocent until proven guilty & that the onus was on proving his guilt.
 
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I hope they don't go for some kind of coverage and try to keep things quiet.
If any evidence is found proving him guilty, it should me made public. The poker community and the whole world have the right to know.
 
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I just always thought it was innocent until proven guilty & that the onus was on proving his guilt.

I'm not saying this is right, or just, or anything like that... but what goes on inside a casino doesn't always confirm to the expectations of justice and due process that you'd have outside a casino. They're allowed to ban players for pretty much any reason they like, they don't necessarily need evidence or to prove that he's guilty.

The question is whether the WSOP wants to hold itself to a higher standard than that I guess.
 
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If he is found that he was cheating hopefully they won't allow him in any casino in the world and hopefully exposed him by putting a huge picture of him with at the casino with the words "cheater"
 
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It seems like he was cheating but i havent seen or heard of any hard evidence of him doing so. But in Nevada they only have to suspect him to ban him after all thats how they handle card counters in black jack. Oh i remember back in the 60s and the 70s the person suspected would run into an unfortunate accident like broken leg or arm maybe somehow his hands would be busted lmao or even just disappear(old days). The fact is the proprietor doesnt need hard proof to ban them only suspicion is enough. But i wonder if they ever got the proof if so i doubt if the management would ever tell in effort to put a lid on it.
 
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