Ten Reasons Why Online Poker Could Get Outlawed

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Here's something from Nolan Dalla check it out http://www.nolandalla.com/

i wonder if the use of the wording for online poker used separate than online gambling has a pattern in articles we read about. I find they do and have my guess at why. And is Vegas dying maybe because of there is almost a casino at every rez in most of the states? Is there people thinking that keeping online poker illegal for the most part is going to help Vegas? I really think not. But im not sure of the numbers but only guessing. I must say its all very interesting and a good read. Thank You Nolan Dalla
 
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I think for many years Las Vegas big wigs were very scared of the internet and the damage it could cause them but as of late i think they have seen that they can use it to their advantage and realise that people will always go to Vegas internet or no internet so they have jumped on board
 
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Hey there Petey, long time no see. How have you been? Hope you are doing well. Do you remember me from WASS? BRL? We sure got burned there didn't we
 
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I think there is too much money in online poker for it to be outlawed. The wheels just need to be greased properly. Once money from the online poker industry finds a way to start finding it's way into the right hands, I believe Sheldon Adelson will be told to STFU and make his money and let the online poker industry make theirs.
 
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Doomed to repeat history?

I think there is too much money in online poker for it to be outlawed. . .

As Mr. Dalla points out, this was very common thinking until April 2011! You know what happened then. But, let's assume that the above argument is valid. Online poker, where it is legal is far from booming; so, where is all of this money to grease the wheels going to come from?

As in all things in a republic, fight for your rights or lose them.
 
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Freedom

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There are soooo many things, that are legal, that should be outlawed other than online poker.
 
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Most of my online gambling is done on horse racing and sports betting where most of my investments are 50 times bigger than I bet on poker. For most online poker is a past time.Vegas must be dreaming if they think banning it will boost their profits:D
 
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I think Vegas has more to worry about with losing visitors with many States now approving casinos.
Give the people what they want, not what Vegas wants.
 
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As Mr. Dalla points out, this was very common thinking until April 2011! You know what happened then. But, let's assume that the above argument is valid. Online poker, where it is legal is far from booming; so, where is all of this money to grease the wheels going to come from?

As in all things in a republic, fight for your rights or lose them.


I think I may have to concede here.

My initial instinct was, of course, to defend my point of view. Buy as I gathered my thoughts in preparation to respond, I realized that my first response to this thread was based upon my initial reaction to the announcement of the legalization of online poker in New Jersey. My thinking at that time was that once the money started coming in, and other states began to see the revenue that could be generated by legalizing and taxing online poker, they would quickly jump on the bandwagon.

As you point out, however, that hasn't happened. When I think about it now, I don't know what I expected. I mean, I know what I expected. I just don't know why I expected it. When you think about the success of online poker prior to Black Friday, it was based upon the fact that it brought in poker players from all over the world. In fact, the success of the casino industry is also based on the ability to draw in business from other places, maybe not always from all over the world, as in the case of Las Vegas. Other places may not draw in customers from as far and wide, but places, such as Biloxi, with smaller casino industries, don't need to draw them in from as far in order to maintain their profit margins. But they do need to draw them in.

Imagine what would happen to the gambling industry in America if it were only allowed to serve customers from within certain geographic boundaries. What if all of the Las Vegas and Reno casinos were only open to Nevada residents? What if only New Jersey residents were allowed to play in New Jersey casinos? What if you had to live in Mississippi to patronize the casinos in Biloxi, Tunica, or Vicksburg, or if you could gamble at any casino on any reservation that you chose as long as you resided on that reservation? There would be no casinos on Native American reservations. There would be no casino industries in Mississippi or New Jersey. Even the Las Vegas casino industry would eventually dry up and die. The same is true for the online poker industry. Even with the convenience of being able to play from the comfort of your own home, no poker site that is allowed to operate only in a single state is very likely accumulate a big enough player base to be very profitable. It's no wonder online poker isn't exactly thriving in places like New Jersey.

That was going to be the basis for my response to your queries. But like a politician's answer, it might explain or make excuses for the lack of money available to the online poker industry, but it doesn't really answer the question does it? Where the money would, or should we say would have come from is the big three poker sites. Of course the big three is now the big two, since UB/AP simply vanished after BF. But as long as the casino industry (Sheldon Adelson) continues to be successful at keeping them from reentering the US market that money isn't really going to exist. I could say more about what I think about the majority of sites currently available to US players, but I won't get into that right now. Let's just say that they don't really compare to what was available prior to BF.

My new response to OP is that there may be no need to outlaw online poker in the US. If it remains suppressed the way it currently is, it may simply wither up and die, or at least dry up to the point where it is of no concern to the casino industry.
 
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Most of my online gambling is done on horse racing and sports betting where most of my investments are 50 times bigger than I bet on poker. For most online poker is a past time.Vegas must be dreaming if they think banning it will boost their profits:D

Not only the above but what Vegas thinks doesn't matter to the rest of the world where online poker is available.


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I thought cash online poker is illegal in the USA now? Atleast i thought it was for a while? I remember the site Ubet that many people played on. I don't know what happened to that site? Do you guys realyl think online poker and betting would take down casinos? I think the feeling of being around real people and playing against real people is such a different experience. But at the same time i understand why some people would prefer online poker. And another quick point is that some people cannot leave ether homes for health reasons. They should still be able to gamble though!! and Have fun playing poker. There has to be some happy medium between casinos and online poker sites.

Best of luck to all!!
 
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Online poker could be shut down just because there are too many minors getting in illegally....there is no way to card them yet like they do in bars.
 
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Players in the State of Washington are already prohibited from playing online poker, and our state law is even harsher than RAWA would be be. So it may seem that, for us anyway, RAWA doesn't pose any new threat. You could argue, and you would be right, that it would end our effort to change that state law, but without support from an industry that is taking its sweet time and following its own path, that effort has little to no chance anyway.

That said, here is what will happen if RAWA passes . . .

First, NJ, NV, and DE will lose their regulated games. CA, PA, and any other state considering legislation will abandon those efforts. pokerstars will give up on re-entering the US market, and consequently the PPA will lose its funding, along with its mission, and will likely fold its tent.

You might think 'hey, we still have Bovada, Merge, and WPN, so no worries'. They are operating in the US in violation of the law already, so why would that change?? I'll tell you why, net neutrality.

The Obama Administration has effectively given control of the internet to the FCC, and you can bet your bottom dollar that, if RAWA were passed into law, the FFC would force ISP's to block gambling sites.

It truly will be 'game over' Don't sit idly by while the government runs over your freedoms
 
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Online poker could be shut down just because there are too many minors getting in illegally....there is no way to card them yet like they do in bars.

both halves of this statement are completely false
 
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They could be....but if they are why didn't you explain how they are wrong.

There's no need to argue is there.

I can accept that I don't know everything about a lot of things.
 
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They could be....but if they are why didn't you explain how they are wrong.

allow me to elaborate . . .

Online poker could be shut down just because there are too many minors getting in illegally....there is no way to card them yet like they do in bars.

Those trying to shut down online poker use the 'underage player' as one of several reasons, but the claim that 'many minors are getting in illegally' is without data to support it. While I agree that on unregulated sites, a minor could easily open an account and play, actually transacting with the sites is extremely difficult (its not gambling without the transactions). You need a bank account in the same name, picture ID, etc, etc. There are ways to subvert this, especially on the deposit side, but I don't think it is as widespread as foes would have you believe.

On regulated sites in the three states that regulate, there is no evidence of a minor gaining access. Not one instance. Identity verification is itself an industry, and they do a fine job of making sure players are who they say they are, and where they are supposed to be, to access the sites. A ton of money is spent to accomplish this, and sites face the loss of their licenses for allowing underage play.

There's no need to argue is there.
I can accept that I don't know everything about a lot of things.

There is a lot of misinformation and many erroneous assumptions out there
 
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allow me to elaborate . . .



Those trying to shut down online poker use the 'underage player' as one of several reasons, but the claim that 'many minors are getting in illegally' is without data to support it. While I agree that on unregulated sites, a minor could easily open an account and play, actually transacting with the sites is extremely difficult (its not gambling without the transactions). You need a bank account in the same name, picture ID, etc, etc. There are ways to subvert this, especially on the deposit side, but I don't think it is as widespread as foes would have you believe.

On regulated sites in the three states that regulate, there is no evidence of a minor gaining access. Not one instance. Identity verification is itself an industry, and they do a fine job of making sure players are who they say they are, and where they are supposed to be, to access the sites. A ton of money is spent to accomplish this, and sites face the loss of their licenses for allowing underage play.



There is a lot of misinformation and many erroneous assumptions out there

Uhh, no, no it isn't. I disagree.

I'm 18 now but I started playing on major poker online rooms when I was much younger. And even now I can't see the difficulty of making those transactions.

For example, the first deposit I made in PokerStars was through a PaySafe card because I sold my LoL account online and my buyer only had that method available. Even a 6 year old can get a PaySafe card.
When I made 30€ I started a withdrawing process (ended up cancelling it for my regret) into my bank account. Now, of course the bank account is in my name, but I could just as easily inserted my father's name while signing in. Nobody asked me for my ID or any of those more-personal-details. Only bank details that I could get without any trouble (I actually found the Bank ID number that they asked through an online search because I didn't want to leave home to get it).

Besides, my bank has this other card for teenagers. It includes a debit card and everything, and the account is in their name for all effects. The only difference is that a parent can cancel that account whenever they want to, but I don't see how that would change the withdraw process since all they ask for is bank information.

Now, there is 1 poker room. 1!!! that ever asked me for my details. It had constant freerolls were you won $1 sooo easily. Eventually I got to $5 and started receiving emails saying I wouldn't be able to gamble any more with them until I sent them my ID information. But it was a pretty much unknown room, I installed it by accident.

Point being, any kid who wants it can still go in, and out of poker rooms. Actually, wasn't there a scandal on PokerStars 2 or 3 years ago because a 17 year old won a major tournament and posted the whole thing on facebook while he was playing?
 
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Online is the Devil ( for the governement) when it comes to untaxed money.
 
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Agreed.. It makes no sense to me, what the US did. Hell, if they put a small, SMALL tax on game play, even just a couple cents per player bi-weekly, the generated income would be substantial
 
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They could be....but if they are why didn't you explain how they are wrong.

There's no need to argue is there.

I can accept that I don't know everything about a lot of things.
1. you have to be 18 to get a CC.
2. when withdrawing you have to send in a copy of a bill with a photo id or a scanned copy of the CC used.
 
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