Tda has made a critical rule change for next years wsop

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About two or three months ago i had wrote a thread called "Should i have to show my hand if i called someones river bet and then they muck?" The short of the thread was i was in a hand with someone and on the river they made a sizable and i decided too call the player. After about 30 secs the player who made the river bed decides too muck his hand i was not happy that i had too show my hand which i won with because i felt that since he mucked his hand that i should win the pot and not have too show my hand. Well tda has made a rule for next years wsop that says that if there is a bet on the river and it is called and the play who makes the bet decides too muck his hand the hand that is left wins the pot and doesn't have too show the winning hand. I want too know from all of u what do u think about this rule change.
 
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It should help colluders cheat. Terrible idea.
 
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Really well lets see sht i paid to see there hand i want to see it for this would give me a tell on how this person plays or at least some kind of read. lmao but the tda's decision doesnt surprise me after all look at there track record. Must of had some big names kiss there tukiss for this change(so it seams) the same people that brought us multi entries late entries. Its straight up not fair it helps the people with the money that can only buy a hand. Ok to much negative! Lets see i should talk about the good things the tda has done for the good over the years. Pretty much a level set of rules for most tourneys held i would think but i dunno. I guess the house directors have to be onboard for this to happen. Its good that they discuss and set a format that can be followed. Oh and for the house to pick up a few extra bucks for there service if not they would raise the rake on tourneys lol. But a rake war would be nice the best thing for business is competition. And getting back to if the person that i call there bet doesnt show me and mucks why in the LL would i or should i show my hand to take the pot. For at the point of the better folding i dont have an opponent im the only one in the pot. All in all a good decision by them i guess.(oops i said that)lmao
 
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It seems reasonable this measure. But where did see that information?? Can you send a link?
 
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That's outrageous. Obviously it Weill aid collusion at tables where there is no pocket cam. I doubt this new rule even survives a year.
 
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Seems like more soft play could well be taking place. Like the guy above says. Cannot see this rule lasting too far into the 2016 WSOP Series
 
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thats the rule in the EPT and i think its correct. Why should you have to reveal information when the player first to show doesn't?
 
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For sure. If they muck first, then there is no point in having to show. Too many colluders in the poker rooms in Casino Niagara used to do this and it was put to a stop in the cash games. I think there are too many angle shooters exploiting this.
 
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Re: Subject of this thread. Remember that the WSOP is not under any obligation to adhere to TDA recommendations. They are just that, recommendations.

Cheers!
 
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I think it's a matter of perspective. I never saw a problem with the rule as it had stood previously. We accept the rules that are in place because they are the rules. And the rules said that the winner had to show to win the pot. To someone not in the hand, watching it play out it, it's real simple, you have to show to take the pot. That's the rule. But when it's you in the hand, and you call another player's river bet and they muck, you realize that it doesn't really make sense that you have to show. After all, he mucked his hand, forfeiting the pot. If I don't show, does his hand get un-mucked? Does the pot get un-forfeited?

While I did accept the previous rule, I don't have any problem whatsoever with the change. In fact, it makes a lot more sense. To those who say that it make collusion easier, I really don't understand how the previous rule would have prevented it. If the player that was supposed to show first mucks, how does the second player tabling their hand prove that the first player didn't muck a stronger hand. The first player could show their hand, and the second player could muck a stronger hand. Neither the old rule or the new one would prevent either of these situations from occurring. Me showing my hand after my opponent mucks doesn't prove anything. The only way to prove there is no collusion occurring is to make both players show every time. If there are more than two players in the hand, then all of them would have to show. Is that what you want?
 
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I think that that if a bet gets called on the river then then the player who got called should not be allowed to muck. The player who calls the bet is paying to see the hand so why should they be allowed to muck it?
 
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