Originally Posted by Keith_MM
actually flip this round and change the game.
lets take blackjack and house has pre edge sorted the decks so all A,2,3,4,5,6 are turned one way. do you think the game is now fair when the house can now have much better odds
of taking another card without busting knowing that the top card of the deck is 6 or lower . Is the house cheating? I think most people would agree that they are , so why should Ivey doing it be any different.
Well In BlackJack the house has no choice but to take another card or not, it all depends on if they are above 17 and if it's a soft or hard 17
An for the if I think it's fair (If the house could choose not to take a card like you meant in your example)... If the house says can we turn these cards around and we "agree" like the house did in Ivey's situation then sure.. They can do it... Is it fair if we allow them to turn these cards around and play and try to beat the house then when we lose say "You guys turned certain cards around give me my money back"
The house is known to gamble on "Whales" competing with other Casino's over them and they compete to the point of risk where they accommodate a whales requests that they just wouldn't an ordinary player, or they even give them better odds in a game such as Black Jack where for every $10,000 you lose on a bet we will give you $3,000 back so you are only risking $7,000 on a $10,000 bet.
Crocks Ford gambled and they lost when they accommodated Phil Ivey's request in order to get him playing at their Casino..
The Casino claims they didn't know about edge sorting which is either:
1.) A complete lie and they Free rolled Ivey, letting him have a 5-6% edge (Yes an edge as Edge sorting does not guarantee winning) on them (The Casino) knowing they would just do what they did in order ot keep the losses.
2.) Were telling the truth and if this is the case they are incompetent (IMO) Casinos spend Millions of dollars to prevent cheating and Advantage play (Which I separate as they are NOT the same thing, Though the Judge who probably knows nothing about the gambling world thinks so)
to not know about edge sorting is the Casinos own fault and it SHOULD have been a 12 Million USD lesson to them. It is the Casinos obligation to keep up with all old and new ways players gain an edge.
I said it in the other thread, If you want to ban Advantage players you are 100% in your right to do so but once they play and win you can not keep that money, You can stop their play during play but your losses are now losses.
Also it's the Casinos own fault for using cards with defects on them! Phil Ivey didn't put any markings on the cards, How can Phil Ivey be at fault when the Casino used defective cards and when the casino agreed to his request which allowed him to edge sort...
The casino claims that they thought Ivey was doing this out of superstition which again is either a lie or incompetence, I don't care if Ivey said or just implied that the Easter Bunny wanted him to have the dealer turn certain cards around and use an automatic shuffling machine and an Asian dealer - If the Casino agrees it's their own fault...
I think the Casino's have a case against the company that makes their playing cards. I never would of imagined they had a case against Phily Ivey.