partypoker's specialist fraud team reclaims $700,000.00

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PP is a regulated policed site with the best in security over watch.

ACR & those online for USA ARE NOT. Based on my on pl;ay I would grade ACR the absolute worst. This site is inundated with collusion teams & bots. You will never hear anything about it from them. Not depositing is your only defense. If you are at a table & you see players who do not chat & have robotic play it is most likely a bot. Mark them, track them, avoid them. Colluding teams from all countries are very sophisticated now. You may be the only player at the table not part of the team. They keep each other in the game until they break the intended target.

95% of the honest players on these sites are defenseless. Unlike PP, you may be at a site as greedy as the cheats. They accept & protect each other as long as the suckers keep depositing. Of course, lottery players & blind dreamers are welcomed with open arms.

CC freerolls & all of the free opportunities to win a seat at big tournaments are the very BEST plays in town at ACR. I like to play & will as long as freerolls provide the opportunity.

I do not & will not deposit on sites I feel invite cheaters to move in & stay. Some sites seem less infected & I think are more proactive in their security efforts. ACR IS NOT one of these IMHO. What they do have is the very best free menu of any other USA facing site.

Bait for the trap I guess. Most new fish "feel". They do not think. It is hard to beat the freeroll RNG on ACR. Wanting to play more or getting lucky once makes newbies deposit for what they think are honest opportunities. Only the very best players survive. They develop an instinct for crooked situations & will not play when faced with them.

If you are not winning then you are losing. Be honest. Figure out why & decide if there is anything you can do to stop it. If not, don't take a seat!

GL & God bless. :cool:
 
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I have wondered sometimes if I have been playing a "team" or group of players in colusion with each other. Your words are something to think about
 
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This is nothing and party poker at least publicized it whereas most sites do not. The bot creators will make better bots that cannot be detected.
 
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PP is a regulated policed site with the best in security over watch.

ACR & those online for USA ARE NOT. Based on my on pl;ay I would grade ACR the absolute worst. This site is inundated with collusion teams & bots. You will never hear anything about it from them. Not depositing is your only defense. If you are at a table & you see players who do not chat & have robotic play it is most likely a bot. Mark them, track them, avoid them. Colluding teams from all countries are very sophisticated now. You may be the only player at the table not part of the team. They keep each other in the game until they break the intended target.

95% of the honest players on these sites are defenseless. Unlike PP, you may be at a site as greedy as the cheats. They accept & protect each other as long as the suckers keep depositing. Of course, lottery players & blind dreamers are welcomed with open arms.

CC freerolls & all of the free opportunities to win a seat at big tournaments are the very BEST plays in town at ACR. I like to play & will as long as freerolls provide the opportunity.

I do not & will not deposit on sites I feel invite cheaters to move in & stay. Some sites seem less infected & I think are more proactive in their security efforts. ACR IS NOT one of these IMHO. What they do have is the very best free menu of any other USA facing site.

Bait for the trap I guess. Most new fish "feel". They do not think. It is hard to beat the freeroll RNG on ACR. Wanting to play more or getting lucky once makes newbies deposit for what they think are honest opportunities. Only the very best players survive. They develop an instinct for crooked situations & will not play when faced with them.

If you are not winning then you are losing. Be honest. Figure out why & decide if there is anything you can do to stop it. If not, don't take a seat!

GL & God bless. :cool:

100% agree. Too much fishy play on ACR to deposit anything there. Love the CC freerolls though, play mostly that and micro tourneys $5 or less. Will NEVER play cash games there, not a chance in hell! Thank you PartyPoker for making the effort, too bad I can't play there :(
 
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PP is a regulated policed site with the best in security over watch.

ACR & those online for USA ARE NOT. Based on my on pl;ay I would grade ACR the absolute worst. This site is inundated with collusion teams & bots. You will never hear anything about it from them. Not depositing is your only defense. If you are at a table & you see players who do not chat & have robotic play it is most likely a bot. Mark them, track them, avoid them. Colluding teams from all countries are very sophisticated now. You may be the only player at the table not part of the team. They keep each other in the game until they break the intended target.

95% of the honest players on these sites are defenseless. Unlike PP, you may be at a site as greedy as the cheats. They accept & protect each other as long as the suckers keep depositing. Of course, lottery players & blind dreamers are welcomed with open arms.

CC freerolls & all of the free opportunities to win a seat at big tournaments are the very BEST plays in town at ACR. I like to play & will as long as freerolls provide the opportunity.

I do not & will not deposit on sites I feel invite cheaters to move in & stay. Some sites seem less infected & I think are more proactive in their security efforts. ACR IS NOT one of these IMHO. What they do have is the very best free menu of any other USA facing site.

Bait for the trap I guess. Most new fish "feel". They do not think. It is hard to beat the freeroll RNG on ACR. Wanting to play more or getting lucky once makes newbies deposit for what they think are honest opportunities. Only the very best players survive. They develop an instinct for crooked situations & will not play when faced with them.

If you are not winning then you are losing. Be honest. Figure out why & decide if there is anything you can do to stop it. If not, don't take a seat!

GL & God bless. :cool:


I agree. Well, ACR better step up and get rid of them if they care about their players.:help:
I wish that CC and all the rest just move their freerolls out of ACR's platform and move on to a better and trusted one for us to play on.
I'm sorry but I can't help but feel such anger toward ACR for not caring about their own players by allowing such bs to continue happening on their site.
 
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it is difficult to eradicate since the technology progresses every day while more cures exist more illnesses to take advantage of situations:playingba
 
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PP is a regulated policed site with the best in security over watch.

ACR & those online for USA ARE NOT. Based on my on pl;ay I would grade ACR the absolute worst. This site is inundated with collusion teams & bots. You will never hear anything about it from them. Not depositing is your only defense. If you are at a table & you see players who do not chat & have robotic play it is most likely a bot. Mark them, track them, avoid them. Colluding teams from all countries are very sophisticated now. You may be the only player at the table not part of the team. They keep each other in the game until they break the intended target.

95% of the honest players on these sites are defenseless. Unlike PP, you may be at a site as greedy as the cheats. They accept & protect each other as long as the suckers keep depositing. Of course, lottery players & blind dreamers are welcomed with open arms.

CC freerolls & all of the free opportunities to win a seat at big tournaments are the very BEST plays in town at ACR. I like to play & will as long as freerolls provide the opportunity.

I do not & will not deposit on sites I feel invite cheaters to move in & stay. Some sites seem less infected & I think are more proactive in their security efforts. ACR IS NOT one of these IMHO. What they do have is the very best free menu of any other USA facing site.

Bait for the trap I guess. Most new fish "feel". They do not think. It is hard to beat the freeroll RNG on ACR. Wanting to play more or getting lucky once makes newbies deposit for what they think are honest opportunities. Only the very best players survive. They develop an instinct for crooked situations & will not play when faced with them.

If you are not winning then you are losing. Be honest. Figure out why & decide if there is anything you can do to stop it. If not, don't take a seat!

GL & God bless. :cool:
The article was interesting but it's not as simple as stalking robotic, non-chatting players. I play a lot so most of my moves probably appear robotic, and I usually don't chat, but I'm not a bot - I'm just me. That said, I often find people leaving my table after a while. Are they leaving because they fear I'm a bot?

Muti-tabling regs play robotically and rarely chat. They're not bots either, but you would be smart to avoid them nonetheless.

I wish I could play on ACR, but their Mac software is so problematic I've given up on them.
 
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It is not easy...

The article was interesting but it's not as simple as stalking robotic, non-chatting players. I play a lot so most of my moves probably appear robotic, and I usually don't chat, but I'm not a bot - I'm just me. That said, I often find people leaving my table after a while. Are they leaving because they fear I'm a bot?

Muti-tabling regs play robotically and rarely chat. They're not bots either, but you would be smart to avoid them nonetheless.

I wish I could play on ACR, but their Mac software is so problematic I've given up on them.

But that is no excuse for a poker site to just not do anything until forced to by undeniable evidence gathered outside of their own rooms.

Bots tend to play all hours. They do not take breaks. Multi-tablers do mimic bot play but most do not try to continuously call or check at the exact same time. If given the choice I will be cautious & avoid the questionable situations. And I refuse to deposit on any site at this time. I have small bankrolls on 4 sites from just freerolls.

If I am faced with the possibility of a major win then I will mim deposit to just get past the TOS as many of these crooked sites like to close accounts & steal big wins any way they can. 5Dimes caught hell not too long ago for doing this in spite of the TOS supporting the player. Outside pressure on their bookie & poker room operations made them relent & give back the $50,000.00 win. But they immediately changed their TOS to allow them to legally close & confiscate any freeroll players earnings in the future without notice or reason.

Crooked sites & crooked players. We are surrounded by the enemy on every side & nearly defenseless. We are fortunate for sites like CC that provide risk free chances to play.

GL & God bless. :( :rolleyes: :cool: :sheep: :hmmmm2: :damnmate:
 
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with the amount of dollars compared to the amount of bots they detected makes me wonder if they are looking at all buy in levels,dont think it can be profitable on the small stakes tables but that might be wrong if these bots are running 24hrs,its great they have published their findings,but makes you wonder how many have they missed??
 
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Reading posts above 'in between the lines':
- good players look very much like bots.
- many of the assumptions mentioned are not 'proof of bot id', they can be person as well.
- pp does not disclose any bot characteristic, the text says a 'network of poker bots' and 277 bots in 4 months.
I wonder how many 'false positives' will be there; I'm aware that in the past (don't know which room) at least one person was reported and come to an office and had to play many hours while being watched and still being blocked in the end (if I remember well).

Rooms fighting bots: great good for rooms and geniune players like me (and you, I hope)
Witch-hunt: will do more harm than good

Conclusion:
If ever I evolve from a splashing fish playing freerolls, I will carefully buildin anti-bot behaviour (which will most likely reduce ROI; apart from not keeping a large balance in any room).
For now, I've got already 3 red flags:
- I don't deposit, only withdraw (assuming that's one of the bot symptoms)
- first month I played, I used a virtual machine as I did not want to mix work files and poker clients on 1 pc. Although it was not in the T&C, pokestars blocked me from their school because of that.
- I've been called a troll in the forum

Good moment to see if I can still login at pp:D
 
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Great text. Was you that wrote it, Shelley?
Readed and comented it at the news. Apreciated.


I can't take credit for the article, Cado. It was written by CardsChat news contributor Daniel Smyth! :)
 
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I can't take credit for the article, Cado. It was written by CardsChat news contributor Daniel Smyth! :)

Ok, congrats to him for the article and for you all to the very intersting monthly news at CC.
 
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I'm glad PP is atleast trying to protect their customers,,and ease the paranoia of others,,, :tomato:
 
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Doing the right thing. In all rooms. Maybe there were fewer losses.
 
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Crooked sites & crooked players. We are surrounded by the enemy on every side & nearly defenseless. We are fortunate for sites like CC that provide risk free chances to play.
I'm pretty sure the companies that have been around forever and sponsor tournaments and TV shows and have big name pros representing them are about as safe as you can hope for. But yes, they are all off-shore because they operate in a grey area, so by definition there is always a certain amount of risk (e.g., FullTilt). I belong to a 100% safe government run site that I never play at because they have so few players and games and I don't like their software.

Yes, the CC games are a great benefit to those of us who are recreational players and don't want to invest money in any particular site.
 
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Battle rages on...

with the amount of dollars compared to the amount of bots they detected makes me wonder if they are looking at all buy in levels,dont think it can be profitable on the small stakes tables but that might be wrong if these bots are running 24hrs,its great they have published their findings,but makes you wonder how many have they missed??

Endless battle against cheats. I am sure they monitor all levels but based on their models maybe certain levels have proven more conducive for bot use. This is just a drop in the bucket. PP reported their results & this increases respect & trust among their players. Security is active & honest. PP is trying, fighting back.

You cannot say that about ACR or some of the other "grey area" sites. ACR was facing international poker anger & shame when they refused action or to admit anything with a mountain of growing evidence being published daily proving the cheating.

Owner grudgingly relented only removing those proven cheats by OUTSIDE sources. ACR would not & did not reveal any details of their own scrutiny or increased security. They are the absolute worst when it comes to customer care or concerns. Why do you think we have our own ACR rep & thread here on CC??? Regular CS is almost totally ineffective with real world or even software problems. Hundreds of suggestions going back years just from CC members have been & continue to be ignored. Software update promises & fixes are almost as bad.

It is just a huge part of the real poker world in the "grey" area that we are stuck with & have zero influence over. The ACR owner does not listen to players at all. If you are interested do an online search of "ACR cheating" or spell it out. Concentrate on news published by poker news sites. You can still see some of the proof on YouTube.

Honestly, if ACR ever dumped its freerolls I would clean out my account of FR winnings & never log on. I think a huge number of CC members would do the same. CC freerolls feed the player base at every site where they participate.

Thank you, CC. & God bless us all. :rolleyes: ;) :cool:

Some snips of the suggested search:
 

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PP is a regulated policed site with the best in security over watch.

ACR & those online for USA ARE NOT. Based on my on pl;ay I would grade ACR the absolute worst. This site is inundated with collusion teams & bots. You will never hear anything about it from them. Not depositing is your only defense. If you are at a table & you see players who do not chat & have robotic play it is most likely a bot. Mark them, track them, avoid them. Colluding teams from all countries are very sophisticated now. You may be the only player at the table not part of the team. They keep each other in the game until they break the intended target.

95% of the honest players on these sites are defenseless. Unlike PP, you may be at a site as greedy as the cheats. They accept & protect each other as long as the suckers keep depositing. Of course, lottery players & blind dreamers are welcomed with open arms.

CC freerolls & all of the free opportunities to win a seat at big tournaments are the very BEST plays in town at ACR. I like to play & will as long as freerolls provide the opportunity.

I do not & will not deposit on sites I feel invite cheaters to move in & stay. Some sites seem less infected & I think are more proactive in their security efforts. ACR IS NOT one of these IMHO. What they do have is the very best free menu of any other USA facing site.

Bait for the trap I guess. Most new fish "feel". They do not think. It is hard to beat the freeroll RNG on ACR. Wanting to play more or getting lucky once makes newbies deposit for what they think are honest opportunities. Only the very best players survive. They develop an instinct for crooked situations & will not play when faced with them.

If you are not winning then you are losing. Be honest. Figure out why & decide if there is anything you can do to stop it. If not, don't take a seat!

GL & God bless. :cool:
So facing bots and trying to pick them out of the crowd might be hard for begginers. Do you have any pointers as to how to spot them
 
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This is exactly what i and many other poker players / Youtubers have been talking about the last few months. Do a search for my posts it is actually pretty amazing how much ive talked about this in the last month alone and now this :)

This is alot bigger than most people think because so much money has changed hands and all of the stats are skewed now. The big mystery of why all of a sudden online poker is so hard to beat. Pros who have won millions, people who play at relatively small stakes have all been wondering about this and bots at the same time but never really correlating the two.

There are also alot of idiots out there who say these bots are so easy to beat and to suck it up and play better. This is so wrong on so many levels, but maybe the fact that PartyPoker has recovered $700,000 in one bot sweep alone, will wake all the sleeping people up.

Look, lets not talk about an RNG, superusers or sites closing down and people disappearing with funds, because we can only speculate and have no proof that this goes on in 2019. These bots are gone but more idiots will create bot accounts to exploit online poker. Its happened before it will happen again.

The online poker industry is for no better choice of words is rigged, if not just by the site itself but by people exploiting the game in their favor. No, not creating soft bots to lose, but to take over 2/3 of a mill away from the community in 1 bot sweep alone. Ive said it even before this recent reclamation of funds -in a shady industry Partypoker is where you should be playing if you are able to from your country. Although no site can be trusted, we can at least trust some sites more than others to be transparent and we need all the edge and fairness we can get.
 
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So facing bots and trying to pick them out of the crowd might be hard for begginers. Do you have any pointers as to how to spot them


Talk to them via chat... I tend to have a laugh with other players... Some players just beehatch constantly repeating words like "fish","Donk"
And "ffs" lol...

Think it's always going to be a problem anyway... New AI's are being unveiled all the time which boast un beaten stats... The human element has still to be mastered like taunting your opponents or good/bad losing / winning...

AI's will still need shades headphones and hoodies for real games... Lol Idea for real online streaming poker....

If Online Poker required the user to be on cam whilst in play then wouldn't that kill the problem? I know I like to relax and let it all hang out while in the privacy of my home... Lol still I'd be happy to stay clothed if it ment being on cam would force my opponents to also be human...
 
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I think it is very encouraging to hear this news. If I lived in NJ or NV I would definitely be on PP. At the same time, though, 700,000 has to be chump change. I'm sure that bots are able to win far more. Still, PP are doing well to show commitment to the players.
 
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Endless battle against cheats. ...
Honestly, if ACR ever dumped its freerolls I would clean out my account of FR winnings & never log on. I think a huge number of CC members would do the same. CC freerolls feed the player base at every site where they participate.

Thank you, CC. & God bless us all. :rolleyes: ;) :cool:

Some snips of the suggested search:
ACR is addressing this now and there seems to be a lot of action against the bots and refunding of players that have been fleeced by them. There are also complaints by some of not seeing a dime in reimbursements but claiming to have played vs one or more of the now known bots. It is the largest action by ACR to date. Better late than never. Stay tuned in.
 
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Excellent news for all poker players who play at Partypoker room
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It's good to know that some people take their security job very seriously and they mean it when they say that they privide a safe environment/platform for everyone , safe for their money , safe to play your game without fear for cheaters , bots , collusions .

Partypoker security team shows it's determination to deal with poker fraud . An example good to follow .
 
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