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Either Postle is the actual Poker God manifesting itself into the vessel known as Mike Postle, or he's cheating.
 
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I would like to see some hard evidence (like what has been happening with the bot take-down over the last few years) first. Judging these things within a "media court" taints everyone involved. Justice first and foremost.:help:
 
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I would like to see some hard evidence (like what has been happening with the bot take-down over the last few years) first. Judging these things within a "media court" taints everyone involved. Justice first and foremost.:help:

His winrate is around twice that of online superuser "Potripper" over a significant sample of hands. This is simply a mathematical improbability, unless some kind of cheating is involved.

"When you have excluded the impossible whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" (Sherlock Holmes).
 
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His winrate is around twice that of online superuser "Potripper" over a significant sample of hands. This is simply a mathematical improbability, unless some kind of cheating is involved.

"When you have excluded the impossible whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" (Sherlock Holmes).


I've caught a few cheaters myself and if I sense that something is off then I try to figure out the cause and effect as quickly as possible. Anyone have any ideas as to the type of cheating involved?
 
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I've caught a few cheaters myself and if I sense that something is off then I try to figure out the cause and effect as quickly as possible. Anyone have any ideas as to the type of cheating involved?


Its obvious, that he somehow had information about his opponents hole cards. Its also obvious, that the live stream format, just as online poker, potentially allow that to happen in a systematic way. Anything boyond that is just guessing and should be left for the investigation to try and figure out.
 
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I think he probably did somehow cheat and have access to the hole cards. But what I cant figure out is why he didnt lose a few hands so as not to attract suspicion!
 
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Got some bad looking stuff there and got his brother in a interview talking about a rigged money spin wheel when they were younger! If he cheated thin he will cheat now!
Once a cheat, always a cheat! That's how we feel down here in Louisiana anyway!
 
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I think he probably did somehow cheat and have access to the hole cards. But what I cant figure out is why he didnt lose a few hands so as not to attract suspicion!

Cheaters are usually not very intelligent, and often the motivation is some kind of financial problems, which is why, they want the money as fast as possible. This was the case with the online superuser "Potripper".
 
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The 3rd party investigator they hired used to be a lawyer for stones. We will see how that goes.
 
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Cheaters are usually not very intelligent, and often the motivation is some kind of financial problems, which is why, they want the money as fast as possible. This was the case with the online superuser "Potripper".


I disagree completely fundiver. The best are the one's you can't detect unless you are very intelligent. Again, like a magic trick, assess and understand what is being done. Going back to Karl Popper, replication is key, well-intentioned hand-waving amounts to nothing. Substantiated, concrete evidence is required. If nothing seems to be available then duplicate..hand by hand..thoroughly. A fundamental fact is to NEVER underestimate your opposition through complacency, being dismissive or whatever. Let me put it in these terms, if you were to go skydiving, scuba diving, mountain climbing (or all of the above) you need to trust your equipment..not like a dumb-ass..but as a professional who does this on a regular basis. Think like this from the get-go and proceed within the realm of card-sharking.:bandit:
 
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I will never defend anyone who cheats. Cheating is easy because you figured out how to win without working. However, eventually you will get caught. I can't learn to wait for my destruction.
 
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Postle is 100% guilty, the winrate he has achieved isn't achievable by the best players in the world even on the best heaters. His gameplay is a complete 180 on stream from what he is known as off stream. Only Postle and Potripper have achieved these win rates lol
 
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Postle is 100% guilty, the winrate he has achieved isn't achievable by the best players in the world even on the best heaters. His gameplay is a complete 180 on stream from what he is known as off stream. Only Postle and Potripper have achieved these win rates lol


Are you in favor of the player doing prison time just on the circumstantial evidence?

Do you play in that room? How do you know that his gameplay is "a complete 180 on stream from what he is known as off stream"? Just asking.

Good luck !
 
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Mike Postle is losing some defenders as the Stones Gambling Hall poker room is hiring a third-party investigator to get to the bottom of some serious cheating allegations which may have occurred during numerous “Stones Live” streams.

This issue doesn't seem to be over with by a long shot.

Mike Postle Support Dwindling as Stones Calls on Investigators

Here this is for all Postle defenders just watch this made by a gamer and reposted by Joey Ingram this is plain as day.
 
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Does anyone have what could be called actual evidence that the guy was cheating?
Not some self serving pod cast, or no one is that good
Just a thought, you know America, just saying
 
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How long do you guys suppose the investigation will take before they find some palpable evidence?
Even if they don't find anything (cuz Postle destroyed every evidence), and Stone's brings back their streams, I don't see how any poker player would be comfortable with him at the table.
 
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So much proof against him , the investigator has to give answers very soon for these serious cheating allegations . The players that got scammed need to get their money back and this person to be punished as an example for all the other potential cheaters ..


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i really HATE this
i shiver think how evil cheaters are - who steal money from honest players
is friggin terrible!!!
how can this guy cheat? how??? i can only imagine it a conspiracy with dealer and/or others?
this terrible thing if it true to all poker community
 
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Does anyone have what could be called actual evidence that the guy was cheating?
Not some self serving pod cast, or no one is that good

Just a thought, you know America, just saying

Well if the only evidence, that count to you, is his confession, then no. However if you are satisfied with the kind of evidence, that most criminals are convicted on, then absolutely certainly yes.

A winrate for starters is not just a question of "no one is that good". Poker variance can be expressed mathematically, and if his winrate is for instance a one in a billion probability, then yes that is actual evidence. DNA tests are used in crime cases, and they are also not 100,0000% sure.

Then there is the way, he play his hands. This is also evidence, and its not "some self serving pod cast". It is the poker community coming together to keep its own house clean. If a player make a "bad" play, that happen to work, one or two times, it is not edidence. But when he does it again and again, at some point this also become a mathematical improbability. Folding top pair on the turn when he is against a set and therefore drawing dead. Losing the minimum with second nuts type hands. Making huge bluffs when his opponent is weak.

And finally it was all caught on camera. We can see, how he constantly look at his cell-phone, which is placed in his lap. We can see, how after cell-phones were banned, he has something under his hat, which look like bone induction earphones. There is a hand, where his bluff get called, and he raise his arms as to say "OMG you called me with THAT", but he start doing it, before his opponents cards are visible.

All of this is documented in hours and hours of videos made by the "self serving pod casts", so its there for anyone to see, who actually care about the integrity of poker.
 
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i really HATE this
i shiver think how evil cheaters are - who steal money from honest players
is friggin terrible!!!
how can this guy cheat? how??? i can only imagine it a conspiracy with dealer and/or others?

this terrible thing if it true to all poker community

Its obviously not great for poker, but its not the end of the world either. In reality poker is safer today, than it ever was. Not that long ago it was an illegal game played in the back-room of a bar, that might be raided by the police, all sorts of cheating was going on, and players might get robbed at gunpoint.

Today we can play at casinos and regulated online sites, and even if a few people do attempt to cheat, this is obviously already a lot safer. So to some extend I think, we should just laugh about this, even though its obviously not funny for those people, who lost money to him.
 
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Does anyone have what could be called actual evidence that the guy was cheating?
Not some self serving pod cast, or no one is that good
Just a thought, you know America, just saying


The actual evidence is the numbers. No one in the world has that win rate unless cheating plain and simple not to mention all the weird stuff he does at the table when in big pots. The man is a plain as day cheater, the investigation will bring some light on how he was doing it hopefully. You don't just get investigated like he is because there is nothing very suspicious going on. Anyone that thinks he could be playing pure poker without cheating to achieve what he has is absolutely insane. Cheaters get found out, where there is a will there is a way. Only time will tell from here on out.
 
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''The graphics were wrong " LOL . There is need for independent investigation team , to investigate both Postle and Stones gamgling Hall . This story stinks so much ......It's a pity for the poor players that got scammed if Postle gets away unpunnished with this story . I have read of some people suing the Stone Hall for this story , I hope this is not fake news :)
 
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