Joe Ingram...Winning Poker Mismanaged and Rigged

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I thought I would start a small thread for our man Joe Ingram putting in the hard work for ALL online players at the Winning Poker Network..

Many questions have been raised over the years since April 2011...:( I now believe that Ingram has a position which needs to not only be recognized but considered!


The U.S. players that do not have the luxury of playing accounts out of Country have been limited to only a few networks which allow a U.S. player.


Unfortunately, we have been subjected to piss poor management or support which quite often seems not only oblivious but complicit in the unfair dynamics which online poker presents to us as the common people (base) support for online poker in the U.S. market.


So I shall try to maintain the finding of Joe Ingram and others which I now believe will commit to the true examination of the unregulated market of what now appears to be accurate and definitive proof that many times we considered hands to be outrageous and completely UNBELIEVABLE to now appear to be not only accurate but with management consent....:(
 
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Good they are doing right. Guys appreciate ACR all the other rooms suck except Bovada.
 
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Oh wow ty for posting this I didnt know ACR had budged
 
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i knew acr had problems just never did the research the cash games plo had problems
 
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Yeah ACR has been messing up. I just saw the video yesterday.

Hopefully that NJ bill passes to allow U.S. players to play internationally.
 
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Well I will no longer be giving business to ACR. I'm surprised there hasn't been more chatter about it
 
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I think ACR is taking some steps to ramp up there security. With that said, I still think it is total BS that they had to be "forced" to do their job from an independent player/person. I really really hope that ACR management takes this serious and tries a "Little" harder in the future...;)
 
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This really concerns me as I play primarily on ACR. I haven't played on Bovada but it seems to me that the anonymous tables are ripe for collusion in cash games. I'm not sure how they safeguard single table sngs either. Maybe the only way to play a fair game is to play huge MTTs on Bovada. It seems like it would be difficult for colluders to be effective there.
 
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The ONLY way to play a fair game is....

Play a live game...YOU deal the cards and be a freek'n moral saint doing it....and play with only people you call friend.

<<DISCLAIMER>>
The factual accuracy of the above statement is directly dependent upon your personal definition of the word "friend".
(I'm rather peculiar...in how I define words)


Come on people...how do ya'll not know this goes on, and there's no stopping it!??
A MOD here on CC very recently told me ..."we know bots are playing".
So if CC knows...how is it?..forum members don't know!?

HOW..is that possible!?

Read CC"s homepage..it tells you..they take their commitment to you setiously.

You should already know this stuff is going on, will go on, can't be stopped.
IF...you're putting your cash online.

If you're just on it for freerolls...then never mind.

Oh...and...this particuler news has been online since the 1st of the month.
In real money poker ...that's old news if it's your money pn the line.
 
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This really concerns me as I play primarily on ACR. I haven't played on Bovada but it seems to me that the anonymous tables are ripe for collusion in cash games. I'm not sure how they safeguard single table sngs either. Maybe the only way to play a fair game is to play huge MTTs on Bovada. It seems like it would be difficult for colluders to be effective there.


Bovada removed the ability to see cash games table lobbies as well as any table selection. The tables also are not numbered or labeled when you are seated. So I imagine that reduces collusion because colluders would have to spend time clicking and get "lucky" to end up at the same table as their colluder and then still have to figure out who is who. Not sure about the SNGs which are visible.
 
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Cheating in poker is only slightly less old than poker itself, and it is impossible to entirely eliminate. Honest players, including myself, can still make money at poker, online and live. Although it gets harder every year.

ChicagoJoey's videos contained a lot of accusations for which there is very little evidence. But they also contained some legitimate points.


ACR/WPN were clearly not paying much attention to game integrity for years. And their public response to this issue has been inadequate. They are unwilling to admit that they made mistakes, and to share the information about the changes they have made. It's a bumbling organization.


Since Joey's videos were released, ACR/WPN has fixed a late registration issue that invited collusion, used the bot-detecting captcha-style system that the implemented a while ago but seemingly forgot about, investigated and banned a few players who were widely suspected of cheating, and issued a few refunds to cheated players.


I don't know if this new attention to game integrity lasts, or if ACR/WPN will decide to ignore the issue after the spotlight fades. But so far, so good. I stopped playing anything except CC games there for a little while after Joey's second video, but I'm back now.
 
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Collusion's possible in the SNG's ...sad but true.

Bovada removed the ability to see cash games table lobbies as well as any table selection. The tables also are not numbered or labeled when you are seated. So I imagine that reduces collusion because colluders would have to spend time clicking and get "lucky" to end up at the same table as their colluder and then still have to figure out who is who. Not sure about the SNGs which are visible.
The SNG's are visible.
You can click on a SNG in the lobby while it's still registering and it'll carry you to game lobby.
The table/tourney number will be visible with all the usual info on the tourney pages.
Like stated already.....players are assigned a NUMBER once the SNG starts. No names or avatars visible.
But all that's easy enough to circumvent in a collusion situation.
A number of players just register for a 6-9 seat SNG...look at each other and say..THAT'S MY NUMBER...lol. Simple thing.

They just wait on the sucker to sit down.....and hope they don't get caught by security peeps or set off any network detectors that "MAY" be at work in the programming.

But....it's doable ......
and hit and run artists are most definitely doing it.
There's money to be made........so you should at least BE AWARE that folks are out there doing it....doing it quick.

Just learn to pay attention at the sites....scrutinize them, be aware it's going on, and decide for yourselves if you're willing to "GAMBLE"...that you're play is better than their play combined.

or not..
just forget I said anything.

I'll understand.:stoned::stoned::secruity::secruity::dontknow::dontknow:
 
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Bovada removed the ability to see cash games table lobbies as well as any table selection. The tables also are not numbered or labeled when you are seated. So I imagine that reduces collusion because colluders would have to spend time clicking and get "lucky" to end up at the same table as their colluder and then still have to figure out who is who. Not sure about the SNGs which are visible.

Good to know. Can a cash game player keep sitting, leaving the table, and then immediately sit at another random table? If that is the case then it would be quite easy to collude. The worst part is that because of the anonymous nature of the tables it is impossible for the community of players to identify the cheaters. One could get a sense of colluding but with no effective way to combat or even avoid the colluding . I suspect colluding is rampant. It sounds like the sngs are completely corruptable and I have no doubt that it is happening. What a shame.
 
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Fact not Fiction

Bovada removed the ability to see cash games table lobbies as well as any table selection. The tables also are not numbered or labeled when you are seated. So I imagine that reduces collusion because colluders would have to spend time clicking and get "lucky" to end up at the same table as their colluder and then still have to figure out who is who. Not sure about the SNGs which are visible.

Cheating in poker is only slightly less old than poker itself, and it is impossible to entirely eliminate. Honest players, including myself, can still make money at poker, online and live. Although it gets harder every year.

ChicagoJoey's videos contained a lot of accusations for which there is very little evidence. But they also contained some legitimate points.


ACR/WPN were clearly not paying much attention to game integrity for years. And their public response to this issue has been inadequate. They are unwilling to admit that they made mistakes, and to share the information about the changes they have made. It's a bumbling organization.


Since Joey's videos were released, ACR/WPN has fixed a late registration issue that invited collusion, used the bot-detecting captcha-style system that the implemented a while ago but seemingly forgot about, investigated and banned a few players who were widely suspected of cheating, and issued a few refunds to cheated players.


I don't know if this new attention to game integrity lasts, or if ACR/WPN will decide to ignore the issue after the spotlight fades. But so far, so good. I stopped playing anything except CC games there for a little while after Joey's second video, but I'm back now.


Exactly, it's nothing new, and I really can't understand why so many people seem so amazed EVERY TIME something goes down somewhere else.
I do understand that maybe someone that hasn't ever played online poker, or gambled online, could be a bit gullible to everything that goes on, I do get that. But if anyone's been taking part in the years, upon years, upon years of online discussions about it STILL DON'T GOT'UH CLUE...well....oh well. Lol.
I don't know what they've been reading or listening to, or watching...but that's what I call a ostrich outlook on things. lol
((for those who are ignorant about the ostrich...rumor, tall tell, pulp fiction, fairy tales, and TV shows and Movies say....they stick their heads in a hole))
((now I'm not saying that's true...I'm saying...sources say they do)):stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned:


anywhooo.....

Yeah...exactly!!

"Cheating in poker is only slightly less old than poker itself, and it is impossible to entirely eliminate. Honest players, including myself, can still make money at poker, online and live. Although it gets harder every year."
:egg::sheep:
 
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I'm pretty sure colusion and bots are out there at the poker sites.
But I dont see proof for Joe Ingrams accusations...
 
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Thanks for the info. I play at ACR and at times it seems to lag on displaying the river card and then gives out a 1 outer. I have not complained since I have been on both ends of this lagging. LOL
 
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Thanks for the info. I play at ACR and at times it seems to lag on displaying the river card and then gives out a 1 outer. I have not complained since I have been on both ends of this lagging. LOL


I left the scene in February 2007 because of the US changes.

That was a huge forum fire feeder even back then.

And yeah....since being back to online poker..I've experienced it on 3 sites now.

Always sucks when suspicion creeps in....lol.



good luck on the tables.
Robert.
 
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He is really good for poker, you see he really breaths poker
 
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