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First of all I think, its overwhelmingly likely, cheating took place based on all the circumstantial evidence, which has already been digged out by the poker community itself. His unrealistic winrate, the fact he seem to almost never be wrong, his motions at the table, his hat, and so on and so forth.

Second I think, that cheating has always been a part of poker, and its just kind of human nature. There will always be someone willing to take a short-cut, when money is at stake, that matter to them. So this is not the first neither the last time, someone has cheated.

Finally I think, its good, that this has now been exposed, and that there will be an investigation. And frankly until that investigation is concluded, I will advise people to stay away from streamed cash games.

We dont yet know, how this was done, and therefore we also dont know, if this is a 1-off, or if other people have been doing the same in this or even in other streams. The poker community need some real answers to the more technical part of this, before streamed cash games can again be considered safe to play in.

Finally I think, this highlight the need for poker players to always be vigilant and protect themselfes. If you feel, something fishy is going on at your table or in your game, then just leave and stop playing, even you are not sure and has no real evidence.

There is someone, who posted a video on Youtube about 6 month ago titled "avoid Mike Postle" after playing in the stream. He played in the stream and apparently felt, something was wrong, and then not playing any more is the obvious and clever thing to do.
 
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First of all I think, its overwhelmingly likely, cheating took place based on all the circumstantial evidence, which has already been digged out by the poker community itself. His unrealistic winrate, the fact he seem to almost never be wrong, his motions at the table, his hat, and so on and so forth.

Second I think, that cheating has always been a part of poker, and its just kind of human nature. There will always be someone willing to take a short-cut, when money is at stake, that matter to them. So this is not the first neither the last time, someone has cheated.

Finally I think, its good, that this has now been exposed, and that there will be an investigation. And frankly until that investigation is concluded, I will advise people to stay away from streamed cash games.

We dont yet know, how this was done, and therefore we also dont know, if this is a 1-off, or if other people have been doing the same in this or even in other streams. The poker community need some real answers to the more technical part of this, before streamed cash games can again be considered safe to play in.

Finally I think, this highlight the need for poker players to always be vigilant and protect themselfes. If you feel, something fishy is going on at your table or in your game, then just leave and stop playing, even you are not sure and has no real evidence.

There is someone, who posted a video on Youtube about 6 month ago titled "avoid Mike Postle" after playing in the stream. He played in the stream and apparently felt, something was wrong, and then not playing any more is the obvious and clever thing to do.


I agree with everything you said here ! It amazes me that it took this long for people to catch on. His actions at the table like staring at his crotch in big pots, were extremely obv that something was not right.
 
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Hhhmmm...

Just read about this on CC. What I am missing is any explenation HOW he cheated. "His winrate is too high" is not really evidence...

Maybe he did cheat. But it is not up to the accused to proof he is innocent, it's up to the accusers to proof he cheated. So i don't agree with the "Mike Postle has something to explain" point of view. Those who accuse him have to explain how it would have been possible for him to know his opponents cards,
 
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Those who accuse him have to explain how it would have been possible for him to know his opponents cards,

Because it was a live stream, the hole cards of all players are known in real time, just like in online poker, which has also had its "superuser" scandals. Its just a question of somehow getting access to that information. How exactly it was done, is a job for the official investigation and the gaming commission to figure out.
 
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I want to be on the cautious side until someone or organization shows us otherwise..
Another part of this is devices at the table. Everyone wants their phones tablets and headphones???
Now we might ask, at what cost is this practice allowed ?
It will be interesting to hear what happens
 
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thank you for your post always very attentive and very kind thank you
 
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And frankly until that investigation is concluded, I will advise people to stay away from streamed cash games.

Just watched this last night, and apparently there are safety procedures being taken to protect RFID data like a locked editing room, rotating staff etc. Nevada (Las Vegas) even have a standard for, how it should be done, and wsop uses an armed guard. But since Stones is in California, they did not follow the Nevada standard.

According to these people, one of whom seem to know a lot about RFIDs and live streams, its also highly unlikely, that RFID data can be hacked without assistance from an insider at the establishment. So the likelihood, Mike was working alone, seem very low.

I will therefore change my advice to only play in streamed cash games in Nevada or other places, that can prove, they are taking reasonable steps to protect the RFID data of the game.

 
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There are no accidents in life, there is only a pattern. It’s one thing when a player in all his games at different tournaments shows a good game with a high winrate. What do we see is an almost perfect river game in many trades? Man is not a machine, and it is his nature to make mistakes, and this regularity needs to be identified.
 
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If you blame anyone, it's the casino first. Postle is accused of reading the cards of rivals, and he could not read them alone. The casino should be subjected to a thorough check for fraud. Interesting to know the results Postle in other places
 
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Yes

I find your clarification perfect, it's good that I did
 
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If you blame anyone, it's the casino first. Postle is accused of reading the cards of rivals, and he could not read them alone. The casino should be subjected to a thorough check for fraud. Interesting to know the results Postle in other places


The most likely scenario is, that one or more people working at Stones were part of the scam, just like what happened at Ultimate Poker, when they had their superuser scandal. Its pretty unlikely, someone sat at a board meeting and came up with this idea of a new way to commit corporate suicide.

And its also unlikely, Mike was able to do this on his own. For starters the RFID technology is the same in all casinos, so if he found a technical solution to hack the data, there was no reason to limit himself to do it at Stones.

It would have made more sense to move around, and also to play some higher limit games. Neither of which apparently took place, because then we would surely have heard about it now on the internet.
 
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Thanks for the article. I have watched some Joey Ingram streams as well as Doug Polk YouTube videos recently on the matter and I'm now definitely more suspicious of Mike Postle!! :eek::icon_cycl

Some of the plays he makes are just too incredible and he seems to be staring down at his phone in his lap a lot before making decisions. :idea::icon_scra
 
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First of all I think, its overwhelmingly likely, cheating took place based on all the circumstantial evidence, which has already been digged out by the poker community itself. His unrealistic winrate, the fact he seem to almost never be wrong, his motions at the table, his hat, and so on and so forth.

Second I think, that cheating has always been a part of poker, and its just kind of human nature. There will always be someone willing to take a short-cut, when money is at stake, that matter to them. So this is not the first neither the last time, someone has cheated.

Finally I think, its good, that this has now been exposed, and that there will be an investigation. And frankly until that investigation is concluded, I will advise people to stay away from streamed cash games.

We dont yet know, how this was done, and therefore we also dont know, if this is a 1-off, or if other people have been doing the same in this or even in other streams. The poker community need some real answers to the more technical part of this, before streamed cash games can again be considered safe to play in.

Finally I think, this highlight the need for poker players to always be vigilant and protect themselfes. If you feel, something fishy is going on at your table or in your game, then just leave and stop playing, even you are not sure and has no real evidence.

There is someone, who posted a video on Youtube about 6 month ago titled "avoid Mike Postle" after playing in the stream. He played in the stream and apparently felt, something was wrong, and then not playing any more is the obvious and clever thing to do.
Very good answer,i couldnt agree more.
 
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mike postle the god!!

So i have looked into this a lot and i am fairly convinced he is cheating unfortunately unless his or someone elses phone that is helping him is taking before being destroyed i dont believe anything will come of this. HOPEFULLY im wrong. anyway Im glad this came to the attention of the community very very fast cheating should never ever happen in this game it destroys not only the integrity but also loses bad players in the process , hell even good ones.
 
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