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I cant understand how anyone can count cards without any equipment. You have to be very smart to keep all that in your head.
 
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You do have to be very smart - and some people are that smart. :)

I am not lol.
 
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He should be smart enough not to get caught.
 
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its not that hard ...you use a system of plus and minus values...more focus than smarts...that's why its easy to detect counters
 
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I cant understand how anyone can count cards without any equipment. You have to be very smart to keep all that in your head.

Rain Man can!! Fantastic movie scene.

 
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its not that hard ...you use a system of plus and minus values...more focus than smarts...that's why its easy to detect counters
What makes it easy to detect is that you bet more when your count tells you the odds are in your favor.
 
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This is just amazing. A person with money counting cards to get an unfair advantage. Makes me think that Ivey and Affleck are more broke than they show and are hard up for money. Just is mind boggling to me that they could need money in such a way, they have to cheat.
 
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This is just amazing. A person with money counting cards to get an unfair advantage. Makes me think that Ivey and Affleck are more broke than they show and are hard up for money. Just is mind boggling to me that they could need money in such a way, they have to cheat.

Is it cheating??
 
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Well i suppose , I don't know, but not everyone is able to count cards (as smart as other which is where I fall in) which puts other players at a disadvantage. Then when the house is against a player who is paying attention to the amount of cards coming out, they are at a disadvantage also cause the dealer can't pull cards from the bottom or nothing, just straight from the top. And even if they were paying attention or pulling cards from the bottom, its the same as the player, they hope what they need will be the next card in that range of cards for a winning hand. I don't know though, I guess it is up to your opinion
 
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As far as I know it isn't cheating, but it is frowned upon by the casinos.

eg if a poker player is better than another is that cheating, imo it isn't.
 
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it's not illegal so I don't understand why this made the news

I'm happy that he took their money
 
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It is not the method but the amount of money won. They will treat you like a king if you bet big, but they will ban you if you win too much. It has always been that way. The charge of card counting is standard. Even if you are just lucky and are not counting, they will shut you down and say you are. No proof required by them, they don't have to let you play. Not fair, but that is the nature of the beast.
 
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They better just be glad the commissioner had the bat light up or he might of stayed behind and kicked some ones ass... LOL sorry couldn't resist
 
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This is just amazing. A person with money counting cards to get an unfair advantage.
I strongly disagree with this.
It isnt cheating by any means,it is A gift to be able to count cards and in my opinion part of the game blackjack itself.
I think everyone to some degree try to keep track of the high cards out of A new shoot.
You must use a thinking advantage at blackjack or any other card game when you have one.
Just like in poker when you figure your odds of making your hand ,thus determining wheter your gonna make the call vs your equity :)
It is not really any different than using your brain to determin what your chances of hitting a high card in blackjack.
 
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No cheating although its probably going to damage his reputation more than the money he won, If people think hes a cheat
 
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Anything that takes the casinos advantage away is cheating in their eyes.Its all about the mighty dollar.If this story was about the average joe there wouldnt even be a discussion about it, but because its someone famous they gotta tell the world.
 
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Anything that takes the casinos advantage away is cheating in their eyes.Its all about the mighty dollar.If this story was about the average joe there wouldnt even be a discussion about it, but because its someone famous they gotta tell the world.

Affleck was also playing the high rollers room, which is considerably more damaging to a casino's bottom line, than someone using card counting technique, and only playing at a $5/$10 table.
 
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Ben cheated casino Well done!:D I was already thinking of all the casinos changed the rules so that it is impossible to play + EV, though you all the cards counted.
 
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I didn't know Batman knew how to count cards. lol
 
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any publicity for an actor is good publicity
 
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He got sloppy and was caught keeping the count using his $100 chips. The casino caught on to the pattern and politely asked him to stop taking their money.

On the flip side - the Hard Rock issued a statement later that said to the effect that "Mr. Affleck was welcome at the Hard Rock anytime." They just won't let him play double-deck hand-delt in the high stakes room.
 
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Card Counting is not cheating, but Casinos don't like it when people do it, so, since Casinos are private businesses, they can forbid anyone from playing without any reason at all (no explanation needed to do so).
 
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yep its no different than a McDonalds refusing service or a online poker forum banning some one
 
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