A bad sign that the Euro "Boom" may have crested....

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Unfortunately this article lacks some perspective; the numbers were certainly expected. YoY data have been falling every quarter for over 12 months, basically since cash games came in. I think the numbers speak more about the dangers of segregated, high taxation regulations rather than about the declining popularity of poker in Europe as a whole.
 
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yea if the economy isn;t doing good ether will poker thats all
 
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Some good points in the article, but i wouldnt say it has crested still many people wanting to learn and enter the online poker world
 
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Some good points in the article, but i wouldnt say it has crested still many people wanting to learn and enter the online poker world

Sure plenty of people are coming INTO the poker world constantly...but this doesn't equal growth, not even stability...

DUCY?


Uh, and isn't this how the US landscape is going to look going forward online?


Anyway you want to cut it, it seems like there is strong evidence that the poker economy is not really growing anymore absolutely. When skill edges decline and growth stops or even slows....yikes.

This is why structural changes are needed to keep NLH cash games viable for regs (see people who only play if profitability is a real possibility) in the years to come.

If the rake is constant, edges go down, and the number of games doesn't keep growing very quickly....then a lot of the games will simply become unbeatable or beatable for such a low amount that no one will really grind them to move up stakes.

....then no new blood comes into the progressively higher stakes.....

.....rutro...
 
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This thread is all very depressing. Do you guys think regulation in the US could lead to another Boom?
 
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This thread is all very depressing. Do you guys think regulation in the US could lead to another Boom?
if the market is regulated and only US-Players can play its not good. I would like to have a open market , where u can play against players of all nationalities. But I think thats a dream. In west -europe u have regulations all over. Even the germans think about closing the market for foreign players. The Focus of the big sites like stars and FTP goes to the east europe market . Russia and Romania and others,
 
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is a good article, it's interesting to someone who wants to get into online poker. good contribution a hug
 
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The inability to make "tax free" money online gets reversed by tax vultures and fewer people then play?

Not only are you on to something, I think this is why our own Government is backing off on us. "Oh! Nope, we did not really think of the effect killing almost all online poker on black friday would have on our future tax base; Opps! Maybe we should have done that differently, huh?"

Good call, kid, good call.
 
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The article is interesting, though Italy may very well follow suit on the future of U.S. regulation.
 
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Hopefully poker boom nr 2 coming but I think that as long goverments see poker as pure luck gambling fewer are the possibilities of an open market.
 
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Hopefully poker boom nr 2 coming but I think that as long goverments see poker as pure luck gambling fewer are the possibilities of an open market.

State supreme courts have even ruled that poker is a game of skill;

http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-regulation/virginia-supreme-court-rule-poker-game-skill/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Pennsylvania_v._Watkins

So have the Itailians

http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-regulation/italian-supreme-court-rules-poker-tournaments-a-game-of-skill-15-03/
 
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...Numbers in the Main Obviously down absolutely....the lowest field size since Hachem's yr and that yr was a 215% increase yr over yr from the previous one...so...

Not good.

Numbers in quite a few prelims were disappointing though the millionaire maker and some of the smaller mixed events looked strong...I would hasten to add I didn't review the numbers systematically.

I think it is quite clear the poker world is slowly shrinking at this point, but that DOESN'T mean there isn't money to be made. I think the real problems are in NLH cash games where a constant rake + newly initiated taxes coming out + ever-improving play (read: smaller edges) will eventually lead to imploding games.
 
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