$100K High Roller Introduces Big Blind Ante, Shot Clock to WSOP

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Very good innovation. Accelerate the post-flop rally at times
 
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Shot Clock

The shot clock is also a good (long overdue) change.

Too many players going into the tank are doing so for more camera time (PH?).
 
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It is a nice development too many people snake into the money while time wasting can not blame them but this makes the game fairer for everybody.
 
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The shot clock is a good idea
 
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The shot clock is fine but the BB Ante needs to be reconsidered. For the very first time the term double-up will not mean double-up and you won't be able to win as many chips as you put into the pot. There are other solutions to resolve ante timing. I'd like to hear further discussion on this from players rather than TDs of casinos. As this is a win in the bag for casinos.
 
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The shot clock is fine but the BB Ante needs to be reconsidered. For the very first time the term double-up will not mean double-up and you won't be able to win as many chips as you put into the pot. There are other solutions to resolve ante timing. I'd like to hear further discussion on this from players rather than TDs of Casinos. As this is a win in the bag for casinos.



the idea came from the players.

It makes total sense. dealers waste a lot of time checking the antes.

it's great for the game
 
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the idea came from the players.

It makes total sense. dealers waste a lot of time checking the antes.

it's great for the game

I am happy you feel that way but I would love to hear other's opinions. What about the challenges I cited? TDs goal is to appeal to emotion but I can't help but wonder what are the real repercussions down the road? What happens when they run a BBA Bounty tournament?

I would like to have a discussion with all the poker players out there.
 
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The shot clock is nice, why would a pro need 3 minutes to calculate his odds and make a decision? It's really just camera time. About the BBA I'm not that happy, but as it is the same situation for everybody, it doesn't make a big change I guess. Bad for the nitty players, good for me, I guess :)
 
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The shot clock is nice, why would a pro need 3 minutes to calculate his odds and make a decision? It's really just camera time. About the BBA I'm not that happy, but as it is the same situation for everybody, it doesn't make a big change I guess. Bad for the nitty players, good for me, I guess :)

In cash games (the origin) it's a pretty small change, but in tournaments, they seem like pretty substantial changes to me:
- For the first time in the history of poker you will be able to go all-in and not double up against an equal or larger stack.
- A smaller stack will be able to knock you out of a tournament
- You end up paying more in antes near the end of the tournament



Imagine you go to your favorite restaurant with 9 of your friends. Everyone orders the same $10 buffet. When the check comes everyone chips in $10 and the bill is paid. Now imagine instead of everyone chipping in $10, a different person pays the $100 each time you visit the restaurant.
This is the big blind ante.
Now imagine that the restaurant is going to close in a few days after you arrange this agreement.
This is the big blind ante in tournaments.

Oh and I forgot to mention on some days only 5 or 6 of your friends will show up but you still have to pay the $100
I keep hearing the pros and TDs praising this system. But other than emotional appeal the data that I have found is that the time saved is negligible. This is, of course, a slam dunk for the TDs, and the pros are always looking for new games.
 
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I love the B.B. anti. I really don’t think it changes the game that much. I get that some may anti more than others but really it doesn’t make that much difference
 
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I think the bb anti is the best thing they could have done with antis!
 
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The shot clock is nice, why would a pro need 3 minutes to calculate his odds and make a decision? It's really just camera time. About the BBA I'm not that happy, but as it is the same situation for everybody, it doesn't make a big change I guess. Bad for the nitty players, good for me, I guess :)


Pretty sure they're not using that time for 'calculating odds'... I mean average recreationals aren't using time to calculate odds so I'm sure pros aren't.
 
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I agree with the clock for sure but not so sure about the BB ante
 
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In cash games (the origin) it's a pretty small change, but in tournaments, they seem like pretty substantial changes to me:
- For the first time in the history of poker you will be able to go all-in and not double up against an equal or larger stack.
- A smaller stack will be able to knock you out of a tournament
- You end up paying more in antes near the end of the tournament



I keep hearing the pros and TDs praising this system. But other than emotional appeal the data that I have found is that the time saved is negligible. This is, of course, a slam dunk for the TDs, and the pros are always looking for new games.

Dont the bb antes average out the same?? If you are small stacked during bb ante... dont you get to see more cards between antes? And why is the extra $$ above your double up a problem?
 
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I love a live poker shot clock! In home games the deliberation is usually brief but in tourneys players will stall near the bubble or just in general take too long to act.
 
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I think it needs to be a general rule of thumb, if someone is abusing "time" then there should be some recourse. these guys and gals are playing for millions of dollars if their thought process requires 2, 4 or 10 minutes to make the right decision it should be allowed, especially in the later stages of the tourney. Just don't take 5 minutes to make every decision. just my thoughts. I'm not much of a thinker so I never personally take that much time. aka (losing player).
 
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As far as bb ante, I haven't played a ton of live tourneys but I have been in 2 where a player keep arguing with the dealer that he anted when he didn't several times. TD finally had to stand there and actually place his ante in the middle for about 10 hands in a row before he was eliminated. One of the craziest things I ever saw in a tourney. lol
 
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I hate how so many players take like 7-8 seconds before even looking at their hands with their sunglasses on and a blank expression, not fun to watch at all. Definitely a fan of the shot clock.
 
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I like a shot clock generally, it's boring and kills the momentum of the game when someone or a few people at the table take forever to make decisions. I do think, however, that there are some critical points in the game where its good to have some extra time, maybe it's a decision for all your chips. I've seen tourneys on tv where players can throw in a time chip for a little extra time and I think that's a great idea. Everyone should have a limited amount of those time chips in combination with a shot clock.
 
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I like both ideas a lot

however with the bb ante I don't like it when it is applied at, say, 20 minute level tournaments and at the 2nd or 3rd level

this effectively turns the tourney into a turbo and should be advertised as such
 
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Blinds

I agree, I prefer the newer structure with the increased blinds. Maybe one day I will be in it! And you too!
 
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