Will poker tracking software become obsolete?

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I play 90% of my poker on my tablet, it is portable and convenient. I can even play game while watching tv.
One thing I cant do though is use poker tracking software on it and there is no way of getting my poker results from my tablet/smart phone into my HM2 and really it is a bit pointless using tracking software if you only have 20% of your results in it.
I think that unless Poker Tracker and Holdem Manager come up with a version for tablets/smart phones, they will become obsolete.
I emailed PS about this and their answer is that the results from a tablet/smart phone get to them in a different format and therefore they cannot even send me a zip with them in, I bet if it was costing them money they would find a way. :mad:
 
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I don't have a tablet (nor a smart phone for that matter) so I may be totally wide of the mark.

Does the tablet client offer the option to store hand histories locally?

If so, maybe you can copy them to the machine with the HUD and get them included that way.
 
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No, tablets do not store results locally and PS told me results from tablets are in a different format to results from PC's. I am sure a solution will be found eventually, hopefully. :)
 
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Just my opinion, but since tracking software's largest consumer would be cash and tourny multitable grinders i don't think there is any worry of it becomming obsolete as anyone multitabling is doing so on a a computer and not a tablet.

Granted I have never played online with a table or on my phone, however can imagine it is comfy to curl up on the couch without a laptop to play poker. Can you run more than 1 table on a tablet? I mean I know they are themselves a computer, but curious if the mobile/tablet Apps enable users to run more than a single table.
 
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Yes you can run multi-games on tablet; depends on the storage size and card.
 
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Just my opinion, but since tracking software's largest consumer would be cash and tourny multitable grinders i don't think there is any worry of it becomming obsolete as anyone multitabling is doing so on a a computer and not a tablet.
^^^ This.

Tablets will never be the preferred device for multitable grinders, especially those who don't purely stack. Nor will it likely be for those serious 1 or 2 table grinders who value the information a HUD provides. The tablet form factor and interface makes it even harder to take notes on players, so without a HUD and the ability to take notes, the mobile games will never be taken that seriously. Any grinders who do play mobile are only doing it out of convenience -- getting a game going while on the subway or at the doctors office or whatever -- not because it's their preferred device. It just isn't conducive to the experience or profitability.

Also, even beyond that, tracking software and HUDs are resource intensive -- heck many people struggle to even get them running well on their PC's -- so I don't see them making big headway in the mobile market until performance is significantly improved. One thing that may help mitigate the performance issue is moving most of the tracker functionality to the cloud (which HM is doing, their next version in alpha right now is cloud-based).
 
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Also, even beyond that, tracking software and HUDs are resource intensive -- heck many people struggle to even get them running well on their PC's -- so I don't see them making big headway in the mobile market until performance is significantly improved.
+1 ^^^^^ this, also thought about the resource side of it but figured such a given fact (personally very much looking forward to my ssd arriving soon for my laptop so I don't want to throw it at the wall while multitabling (at least with hm2 anyhow, pt4 was much less resource intensive))

One thing that may help mitigate the performance issue is moving most of the tracker functionality to the cloud (which HM is doing, their next version in alpha right now is cloud-based).

Everything seems to slowely be moving cloud-based these days, internet will have to improve greatly where I'm currently located for me to ever consider a cloud based tracking/hud due to data caps. Granted for the hud its mainly only text transmittal but for a multitabler this would still add up. Dang shitty internet caps haha, never had one before I moved here and I want to cry about it LOL.
 
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I agree that tablets wont replace PC's for a long time, I will never say never where technology is concerned though.
I play sitngos on my tablet all the time and know how most of the players play cos I play against them a lot, so although HM2 for tablets would be nice, it is not my main wish.
It would be nice to have a way of getting my sitngo results into my HM2 or as I say, to me HM2 is just a waste of money cos if I cant put all my results in it there is no point.
I do play as much as I can on my PC but circumstances dictate that the bulk of my poker is on my tablet.
 
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I play very occasionally on my tablet. Its purely for convience rather than anything else, and its always donkaments i play. If I am playing ring games its always always with a tracker on my desktop.
 
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I play sitngos on my tablet all the time and know how most of the players play cos I play against them a lot, so although HM2 for tablets would be nice, it is not my main wish.
It would be nice to have a way of getting my sitngo results into my HM2 or as I say, to me HM2 is just a waste of money cos if I cant put all my results in it there is no point.
I do play as much as I can on my PC but circumstances dictate that the bulk of my poker is on my tablet.
Given this then yes that would be nice, and I guess the issue in that lies with the poker site. As you indicated they can't even email you a zip of the HH, because even if it was a different format and wanting this was popular enough someone would create a converter to be able to import or the tracking software themselves would implement to be able to import the format it is in.

Not enough people screaming at the poker client in question for it would be my guess as to why you can't get the history.
 
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I play 90% of my poker on my tablet, it is portable and convenient. I can even play game while watching tv.
One thing I cant do though is use poker tracking software on it and there is no way of getting my poker results from my tablet/smart phone into my HM2 and really it is a bit pointless using tracking software if you only have 20% of your results in it.
I think that unless Poker Tracker and Holdem Manager come up with a version for tablets/smart phones, they will become obsolete.
I emailed PS about this and their answer is that the results from a tablet/smart phone get to them in a different format and therefore they cannot even send me a zip with them in, I bet if it was costing them money they would find a way. :mad:

You must have spoken to a new employee. You can request the hands via email that were played on a tablet to import to your desktop for review.


^^^ This.

Tablets will never be the preferred device for multitable grinders, especially those who don't purely stack. Nor will it likely be for those serious 1 or 2 table grinders who value the information a HUD provides. The tablet form factor and interface makes it even harder to take notes on players, so without a HUD and the ability to take notes, the mobile games will never be taken that seriously. Any grinders who do play mobile are only doing it out of convenience -- getting a game going while on the subway or at the doctors office or whatever -- not because it's their preferred device. It just isn't conducive to the experience or profitability.

Also, even beyond that, tracking software and HUDs are resource intensive -- heck many people struggle to even get them running well on their PC's -- so I don't see them making big headway in the mobile market until performance is significantly improved. One thing that may help mitigate the performance issue is moving most of the tracker functionality to the cloud (which HM is doing, their next version in alpha right now is cloud-based).

Our HM Cloud Alpha program will allow you to view your HM Cloud database in the Chrome browser App but we can not support a HUD on a mobile device at this time and I am not sure if/when it might ever be possible. They do not write local hand histories which is what we historically use for generating HUD data. With the HM Cloud local desktop client the hands are uploaded to the cloud and the HUD pulls the data down from the cloud DB so it might eventually be possible for historical HUD data on a mobile device but I am not positive yet if that will be possible as I am not a programmer (and not sure how feasible it is to overlay a HUD on a poker table on a tablet/phone) and without current hand histories being written it might not worth the effort since current session hands wouldn't be shown.

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I guess HM and PT might come up with a mobile version one day.

and anywyay if u contact stars' support asking for HH they will send u everything via email. They should definitely be on the common format which u can use for your tracking sw.
 
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Maybe if they do go obsolete people will have to learn to play poker bye the math again instead of relying on some outside source to give them any edge.My ultimate goal in poker is to one day play in the wsop.I dont think they will allow you to use a hud there or any other live game,why play with them online.Seems like a crutch for week players to me and would only serve make any live session weaker in your play.
 
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Maybe if they do go obsolete people will have to learn to play poker bye the math again instead of relying on some outside source to give them any edge.My ultimate goal in poker is to one day play in the wsop.I dont think they will allow you to use a hud there or any other live game,why play with them online.Seems like a crutch for week players to me and would only serve make any live session weaker in your play.
This is wrong on multiple levels, please don't derail this thread with that nonsense. And yes, it's nonsense, we've discussed to death the ins and outs of why trackers/HUDs are no such crutch, and why you cannot compare live to online. The only people who believe that are people who actually don't understand them and have never used them. They hear "software" and assume it plays your hand for you or something.

Most WSOP players who are also regular online players use a tracker/HUD when they play, I can assure you of that. They don't need a HUD to do well live, any more than a professional bike racer needs leathers and a helmet to successfully ride a tricycle.
 
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Not a fan of tracking software put the time in yourself and learn your opponents seems like a cheap way of getting an advantage and tome should be gone at all sites ,some already do
 
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That would be about the only response deserved by such comments dmo. I'd think it obvious that people who play online and make such comments of tracking software either are just :confused:, and don't understand nor it seems cannot be taught to understand that its not an edge of skill provided via tracking software / huds.

I double Sigh to those people as well. Personal preference to use or not is one thing, to say it would be better of without it is just wrong and in fact having it at your disposal brings a more live approach to playing online IMO.
 
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No, tablets do not store results locally and PS told me results from tablets are in a different format to results from PC's. I am sure a solution will be found eventually, hopefully. :)

You can request the hand histories from pokerstars support, they will email them to you. That email can be imported into PokerTracker, we fully support the mobile hand histories at PokerStars for import - but like HM2, we cannot display a HUD until technology catches up with our vision in the future

I guess HM and PT might come up with a mobile version one day.

Perhaps. We cannot comment on the future, but I can certainly say we have discussed what can and cannot be done - for example we know already that we cannot use the tablet to store a database because an enterprise class database such as PostgreSQL dos not exist in mobile client form. And we also have the issue of the HUD, I do not know of any tablets that could allow us to display our application on top of another application (iOS) or have the processor power required to do this efficiently with good performance (Windows 8 Tablets).

I play 90% of my poker on my tablet, it is portable and convenient. I can even play game while watching tv.

An online poker network shared their mobile client numbers with us, I cannot disclose what we learned due to confidentiality concerns but we can say that you re in the minority. Most tablet users play recreationally for small periods of time, this format is popular with commuters and players looking for a quick fix, it is not primarily aimed at active or engaged players. Mobile is certainly a VERY important part of any online poker network strategy, but it is not the primary concern.
 
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I use a Surface Pro and you can run both on it. It's a teeny bit heavier than a normal tablet (you'll have to rest it on your knee or something if playing for hours), but you can definitely 4 table on it with a HUD.

It's touch screen too, which just "feels right" for Poker!
 
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I use a Surface Pro and you can run both on it. It's a teeny bit heavier than a normal tablet (you'll have to rest it on your knee or something if playing for hours), but you can definitely 4 table on it with a HUD.

It's touch screen too, which just "feels right" for Poker!

We do not officially support this setup, our experience is that the performance is sub-par. With that said, we do know of a few users like you who have this setup in place.
 
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