who does and why do you? Play with a HUD

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I myself started out when I was learning using a hud, also I was at that time playing 8 plus up to 18 tables at a time.

For the last year or so I honestly never use my hud. I play much higher limits now and never play more than 6 tables at once. My win rates are higher without a hud.

Like to hear some members opinions on what they think?:listen:
 
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surely the better your opponents the smaller the edges you need to exploit, thus the more information you need.
 
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i wonder what limits you play hud is primarily important for gathering info on your opponents if your regularly bumping into the same opponents then
it is essential, however if your rarely bumping into the same opponents then it can just get in the way and doesn't really provide much more then your general feel can provide.

if your playing lowish limits on a site which is very high traffic id agree hud isn't essential if your playing on a site with low traffic so samne oppenents or higher limits then it is. i assume your not playing the highest limits because if you were regulary beating the games highest limits then you would feel comfortable enough in your own game to not need to ask the question or any questions here.
 
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surely the better your opponents the smaller the edges you need to exploit, thus the more information you need.
True enough.

Maybe I will start busting out the old hud again from time to time to get back into things.
 
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i wonder what limits you play hud is primarily important for gathering info on your opponents if your regularly bumping into the same opponents then
it is essential, however if your rarely bumping into the same opponents then it can just get in the way and doesn't really provide much more then your general feel can provide.

if your playing lowish limits on a site which is very high traffic id agree hud isn't essential if your playing on a site with low traffic so samne oppenents or higher limits then it is. i assume your not playing the highest limits because if you were regulary beating the games highest limits then you would feel comfortable enough in your own game to not need to ask the question or any questions here.

I play NL100 NL200 NL400. Sometimes ill fire NL50 and NL100 playing multiple tables to grind volume and clear my monthly status points, Or even if I am just waking up to warm up Ill fire up some lower stakes.

Um I play at 888 poker. Super soft site, traffics fair, but not good. around 9k-14k peek player traffic.



if your playing lowish limits on a site which is very high traffic id agree hud isn't essential if your playing on a site with low traffic so samne oppenents or higher limits then it is. i assume your not playing the highest limits because if you were regulary beating the games highest limits then you would feel comfortable enough in your own game to not need to ask the question or any questions here.

I would think the lower limits and more traffic would be more inclinded to use a hud no? I take plenty of notes and myself feel I don't need much use of my hud because it just make sme over think my decisions. I do see a lot of the same player all the time but that's what my memory and note takings for. But again I am not disagreeing with the use of a hud :)


I for one know why I stopped using a hud (I was grinding HeadsUp cash games and sngs) And wanted to see what my roi and win rates would be and how I did playing without a hud.) And then I guess I just never went back to it because I was crushing without it.
 
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no because the point is if you have anything less then 500 hands on a player hud isn't that useful since none of the data can be statistically significant there is 1326 pre flop hands in poker hence really you need at least 10s of thousands of hands before it can be statistically significant although you can more less get a general idea with statistics from several hundred. anything less and there is such a scope for variance that the statistics don't mean a great deal.

the more traffic there is the less likely you are to bump into the same players again and with a small sample of hands I wouldn't rely on hud statistics at all I can generally tell whos going to call of light and whos going to call of tight etc based on plays ive seen earlyier in the sit and go and similar things would probably apply to cash.

and hud doesn't really seem to give me that info until ive reached the point of several hundred hands at least.

hence your own reads before you have large data could be trusted more.

however once you have a very large volume of hands on an opponent you can be more statisticly accurate on whats going on with them with a hud then you can from your own reads.

I generally notice though that for me if I have a large sample of hands on a player there a reg and therefore they pretty much know more or less what they are doing and thus I can predict without a hud anyway, thus at the moment hud for me pretty much just tells me who the regs are and I make notes if I see a regular do something odd.

however when i get to high stakes i am sure hud will have much more uses
 
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^hud stats are useful after 5 hands. they just become more powerful over a larger sample
 
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I used to use PokerTracker. But it's such a pig, I flushed it.

Thing ran okay, for a resource hog.

Then they did an upgrade and it kilt Postgress.

When I asked for help they sent me an email that looked something like this...

chalker.jpg~original


Photoshop, Macromedia, even Office has to be laughing at them.

When I buy software, I don't want to become a tech. I just want it to work.

Piece of crap. Crap customer service and they push this on you with a smile.

"Find the gizmo and open with WordPad as administrator. Reach down under your balls and cough twice. Then, standing on one leg, put your pants on." Okay? Let us know how it goes... luv you."

I want my money back, but I'll prolly have to solve the nations budget to get that done.

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I used to use PokerTracker. But it's such a pig, I flushed it.

Thing ran okay, for a resource hog.

Then they did an upgrade and it kilt Postgress.

When I asked for help they sent me an email that looked something like this...

chalker.jpg~original


Photoshop, Macromedia, even Office has to be laughing at them.

When I buy software, I don't want to become a tech. I just want it to work.

Piece of crap. Crap customer service and they push this on you with a smile.

"Find the gizmo and open with WordPad as administrator. Reach down under your balls and cough twice. Then, standing on one leg, put your pants on." Okay? Let us know how it goes... luv you."

I want my money back, but I'll prolly have to solve the nations budget to get that done.

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LOL at the pic :D im dying of laughter!!!

And yea that's unfortunate, I myself use HM well its now HM2. I honestly have never used poker tracker. I never paid for HM either, I think I got it through cardrunners like 3 years ago and got a free upgrade when HM2 launched. Perks of being a cardrunners member at that time anyways.
 
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^hud stats are useful after 5 hands. they just become more powerful over a larger sample
I agree with you here duggs, but for myself I tend to value stats in the hud too much when the sample is too little and it affects my calling ranges. Maybe Im just massively rusty with my hud. It has been almost a year since I've really implemented it back into my game.

I think I myself should really warm myself back up into using one though just to stay fresh, plus I also find myself loosing interest in my sessions once im up like 3-4 buyins. Maybenext time Im almost bored out of my session to death Ill just turn on the hud drop a few tables and keep playing and get back into it.


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I used to use PokerTracker. But it's such a pig, I flushed it.

Thing ran okay, for a resource hog.

Then they did an upgrade and it kilt Postgress.

When I asked for help they sent me an email that looked something like this...

chalker.jpg~original


Photoshop, Macromedia, even Office has to be laughing at them.

When I buy software, I don't want to become a tech. I just want it to work.

Piece of crap. Crap customer service and they push this on you with a smile.

"Find the gizmo and open with WordPad as administrator. Reach down under your balls and cough twice. Then, standing on one leg, put your pants on." Okay? Let us know how it goes... luv you."

I want my money back, but I'll prolly have to solve the nations budget to get that done.

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I think this is so far from the truth that its laughable lol

1. PokerTracker has a whole forum and I get responses for help w/in like 24hrs and also have how-to tutorials on their site
2. they have a dedicated thread for CC members for support
3. their email support is super helpful and responds generally w/in 24hrs

I've had a ton of user issues but the PT team gets me back up and running right away and provides steps so that tech fish like myself arent SOL
 
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Still want my money back

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We offer a 14 day money back guarantee and a 30 day free trial for a total of 44 days of guaranteed free usage. We offer money back without any questions asked when it is requested within this 14 day period. If you purchased PT4 less than 14 days ago, we will be happy to provide you a refund as well, this is our very fair and transparent policy that is even included in all of our FAQs - https://www.pokertracker.com/faq/PT4#pokertracker-4-satisfaction-guarantee-.

If you missed your 14 day period, then our support team will still be willing to help you. We help hundreds of players every day, as long as you are patient we can get you up and running.

Photoshop, Macromedia, even Office has to be laughing at them.

When I buy software, I don't want to become a tech. I just want it to work.

Macromedia was sold to Adobe, owners of Photoshop, nine years ago. Our software is more complicated to use than Photoshop or Office; but I can assure you that almost ALL of Macromedia's products were very advanced in nature, many of their applications had college level courses taught just to help it's users install and maintain their applications. PokerTracker is similar, we provide an amazing set of self learning resources but many players chose to take professional courses to learn how to use our software instead. We don't hide this fact, it takes time to learn how to properly use tracking software.

You said PokerTracker was a resource hog.... we only hear this from users whose computers do not meet our required system recommendations. In fact we get a lot of customers from other tracking applications who switch because their old application used too many resources and they waned to switch to PokerTracker 4 which has a very low memory footprint. Feel free to blame your computer or the tracking industry as a while, but its hard to believe anyone would consider PT4 to be a resource hog on a modern computer - especially when compared to other trackers. We understand if PokerTracker was not what you expected it to be, or did not know how to get the most out of our software... but it is certainly not a resource hog if your computer meets our requirements.
 
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Don't be a child Jus
 
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^hud stats are useful after 5 hands

This is incorrect. Some key stats will start to converge after 50-10 hands such as VPIP or PFR, but this convergence is just beginning... for a common stat such as 3Bet it could require several thousand hands before it begins to converge. For some stats it could require tens of thousands of hands - if not more. Every stat has different requirements, that is why we advise using the Times/Opportunity option for each HUD design. A Stat is measurement of actions (times) divided by the number of opportunities the player had to take that action. The greater the number of opportunities, the closer you will be to having accurate stat data.
 
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Don't be a child Jus
What else can I say?

He'll just pull out another cuppla paragraphs, and I'm still sitting here with a broken HUD... which I have to fix.

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What else can I say?

He'll just pull out another cuppla paragraphs, and I'm still sitting here with a broken HUD... which I have to fix.

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If you missed your 14 day period, then our support team will still be willing to help you. We help hundreds of players every day, as long as you are patient we can get you up and running.

No, we have to fix - but we still need you to be our eyes and hands. But we cannot fix it if you don't want to help us fix it. Thats the way software works... you nee help from the user, if the user doesn't want to be helped then there is nothing we can do.
 
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No, we have to fix - but we still need you to be our eyes and hands. But we cannot fix it if you don't want to help us fix it. Thats the way software works... you nee help from the user, if the user doesn't want to be helped then there is nothing we can do.
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