Views on Poker calculators?

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What are people thoughts on poker calculators which auto do everything for you basically? I've seen them advertised all over, anyone got one? Anyone tried one?
Which are classed as the best ones?

Is it cheating? I think it's quite a bad thing to use but I wonder if they are used just as much as a HUD?

Any advice would be good.
 
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Poker calculators used during play is weak. imo
 
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Basically, if I see that someone is using a poker calculator, then I automatically know that they don't know much about poker. The only thing that they auto-do is find out how many outs you have, and what percentage/odds you are to hit a given hand. These are things that even an amateur poker player should know how to do in the blink of an eye, not needing to have it done for them. Really, if you need it to be done for you, then you probably don't know how to use the information properly anyway.

Also, I believe the only stats that they ever really show on opponents is their VPIP and PFR, and only for that session. They don't use a database, so it is unable to store information from multiple sessions. It isn't cheating, it's just useless.
 
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Ok thanks for replies.

Adsoluthamm: Obviously people mult-tabling for example isn't it +ev for them to have one when needing to make instant decisions and using odds ? If it's worth the call for example on the river to hit your flush..
 
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I have never used one nor have I needed one and I have played 16 tables no problem. Counting your outs then calculating your odds based on those outs doesn't really take much time. Count your outs, x4 if turn and river remaining, x2 if only the river. Done
 
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I started using one when I first started playing poker. Initially I thought it was useful but I soon stopped using it. I realised that if I ever play live poker someday, poker calculators won't help me there. Better to get used to working out the poker maths in your head when playing online in case you find yourself in an EPT live event someday!
 
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Is that what these calculators do, provide odds? If they do more than that, I would be interested in how they work and what kind of success anyone has had by using them.
 
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Is that what these calculators do, provide odds? If they do more than that, I would be interested in how they work and what kind of success anyone has had by using them.
They do no more than that. If you're going to purchase a piece of software, get HEM or PT3. They will do 50x more than calculators and will actually help your game, not retard it.
 
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Hey guys. Saw this thread on my ALERTS and thought I would chime in as I am a regular user fo Holdem Indicator and Tournament Indicator.

Basically, if I see that someone is using a poker calculator, then I automatically know that they don't know much about poker. The only thing that they auto-do is find out how many outs you have, and what percentage/odds you are to hit a given hand. These are things that even an amateur poker player should know how to do in the blink of an eye, not needing to have it done for them. Really, if you need it to be done for you, then you probably don't know how to use the information properly anyway.

If I see someone who is talking out of their ear, I automatically know they don't know much about poker calculators. :)

In fact, yes they do offer odds and if you are multi-tabling, this does come in very handy. Anybody ever multitable? If you only have seconds to make a decision, then you really want to be looking at profile stats and stack sizes, not making simple math calculations in your head.

Of course this does not mean you shouldn't know your odds and when you need to at a live table, you have mega-minutes to figure that out. If we followed your argument here, then there would be no need for ANY calculators in life at all. You know you can figure out what 423 x 16 = right? But would you do it by hand if you had a calculator? Doubt it. Same principle applies here.

If you think using an odds calculator means that same person doesn't know how to use the information, I will tell you there are over 100,000 users of such products online on a regular basis and I am just one of them. Since you made such a sweeping (and outrageous) assumption I invite you to search my sharscope > Turtleknife.

Also, I believe the only stats that they ever really show on opponents is their VPIP and PFR, and only for that session. They don't use a database, so it is unable to store information from multiple sessions. It isn't cheating, it's just useless.

There has never been a poker calculator that has had ONLY the features you offered here. Even the ones I would not recommend have more info than this.

In fact Holdem Indicator and Tournament Indicator offer as much profiling stats as HEM and PT3. And they have the most flexible HUD features on the market as well.

HUD is not a product in itself as some use the term here, a HUD holds the information the user wants displayed, so if you want pot odds, number of outs, hand rankings, win odds etc. displayed in it as well, the Indicator products offer that too, unlike HEM and PT3.
 
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turtleknife, are u Marty Smith?
 
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They do no more than that. If you're going to purchase a piece of software, get HEM or PT3. They will do 50x more than calculators and will actually help your game, not retard it.

Not so. The HUD feature set in Holdem Indicator, Omaha Indicator and Tournament Indicator offer more viewing flexibility and options of what stats you want to be displayed as only these products offer pot odds and other features that HEM and PT3 do not offer.

In fact many Indicator users choose to use the calculators while playing online, and then review their games using HEM or PT3.

These are the running stats Indicator products offer:

hands played
Win odds
Pot odds
Player profile Icons
VPIP
PFR
3bet / Fold to 3Bet
Steal/ Fold to Steal
Af
CBet / Fold to CBet
WSD / WSDW%
Net Up/Down
MZone for tournaments
EV
Sklansky Hand Group ranking
OUTS displayed
Number of OUTS displayed
Graph for hitting draws
Graph for opponents hitting draws
History feature that stores opponent data up to 2 years

They are also adding a flash-based HAND REPLAYER feature for going over your session after the fact.

Well thats all I could think of for now...:)
 
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I dis it only because of what the product is and what it is worth. It may be getting better than it once was, but it still is no where near worth what you're charging for it. I have never heard of even a remotely successful poker player(tournament or ring game) say that they use a calculator or indicator(Let alone use one for during the game and then tracking software for review afterwards). Do I know 423 x 16? No, not off of the top of my head, but when doing my away from the table work, if I notice that a situation like that was coming up often enough for me to give it thought, then I would do the calculations and LEARN from it. Just giving yourself the odds at the table isn't going to teach you squat, isn't helping you become a better poker player, and is essentially just telling bad players whether to call or fold, not telling them WHY. Also, why the hell would someone buy both an indicator and tracking software when tracking software does so much more than an indicator both at the table and away. As far as:
"The HUD feature set in Holdem Indicator, Omaha Indicator and Tournament Indicator offer more viewing flexibility and options of what stats you want to be displayed as only these products offer pot odds and other features that HEM and PT3 do not offer."
are you serious? It has win odds, pot odds and outs. That's about it. Do you really want to me to go through all of the stats and flexibility that HEM or PT3 have over that "feature set"(just check the stat guide in my sig to save me time). Let alone for ~1/2 the price(you don't need the full version since you're average buy-in is only $8.44....hey you told me to sharkscope you).

Also, this is coming from someone who does not have any type of allegiance to HEM/PT3/Indicators/Bots/Whatever, I just name it how I see it. Being a long time member of CC, 2p2 and 55's, it cracks me up that you're taking such offense to this as I've never seen anything really positive about it on any of the biggest poker forums on the net. The 2p2 catchall thread even says that not many players use it...

I OPR'd and SharkScoped you, and I see that yes, you have had success with SnG's, but I would imagine that if you stopped using an indicator, you would still have success, because you are a good poker player, not because you have to be told that you only have 5 outs on the turn and therefore only are 11% to hit your hand.
 
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Obv from your signature and refusal to look at anything than your fav piece of software there is no benefit with debating with you.

However, since you mentioned:
Buy-in level matters not, as a poker calculator can help at any level.

And yes, quite serious about HIs HUD being top of the line but there is NO way you would know that since you only have preconceived (and incorrect) notions about anything but HEM.

@OP I will reiterate that there are several good software programs out there for beginners. You will likely own several of them of them over the coming months/years. I have found however that HEM and PT3 as starter programs are over-the-top for a lot of users, and often lead to more frustration.

At this stage of the game, you don't really need to know about 4 betting percentages (example) when you are building your bankroll. You need to concentrate on simpler issues, like pot odds, starting hands, and position. Also some basic profiling information and your M for tournament play. You can become profitable in the low limits by just knowing that information. Jump that hoop, then start learning the features of using HEM or PT3 to analyze your play as you move up levels.
 
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