slowhand
Rock Star
Silver Level
This is a massive topic, probably why you haven't had any responses. Firstly the main stats you should include in a HUD are VPIP, PFR and Aggression factor. These will give you an overview of the type of opponents you are facing.
After this it is personal preference. I use fold to steal stats to see how likely the blinds will fold when I am in LP. This means you can more safely steal blinds - which adds a lot to your win rate over a long period.
Other stats such as villains CBet % will show how aggressive they are after a raise. This enables you to float the flop if their Cbet is high, and often steal the pot when they stop betting the turn.
You should really just have a look at your HUD options - Google HUD setups and copy what a decent player is using before customing it to your own requirements.
Cash and tourney HUDs also vary quite a lot as different stats are more important in each game type.
After this it is personal preference. I use fold to steal stats to see how likely the blinds will fold when I am in LP. This means you can more safely steal blinds - which adds a lot to your win rate over a long period.
Other stats such as villains CBet % will show how aggressive they are after a raise. This enables you to float the flop if their Cbet is high, and often steal the pot when they stop betting the turn.
You should really just have a look at your HUD options - Google HUD setups and copy what a decent player is using before customing it to your own requirements.
Cash and tourney HUDs also vary quite a lot as different stats are more important in each game type.
iec
Rock Star
Silver Level
This is interesting question in fact.
Can someone direct us to some thread or other comprehensive info (can be some article, book or whatever) where the most useful HUD stats with detailed explanation how one can use in the most optimal way when opponent has some values much bigger or smaller than normal (and what are the optimal values for example for 6 handed NL20 cash game).
Its also creative to find out myself, but it would be simpler this way
For example one can easily figure when someone has big steal and big fold to 3bet it means 3betting light is useful, or stealing when the opponent is nitty etc
But there must be some nuances that people are missing and would be interesting to see the most comprehensive information
Can someone direct us to some thread or other comprehensive info (can be some article, book or whatever) where the most useful HUD stats with detailed explanation how one can use in the most optimal way when opponent has some values much bigger or smaller than normal (and what are the optimal values for example for 6 handed NL20 cash game).
Its also creative to find out myself, but it would be simpler this way
For example one can easily figure when someone has big steal and big fold to 3bet it means 3betting light is useful, or stealing when the opponent is nitty etc
But there must be some nuances that people are missing and would be interesting to see the most comprehensive information
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Goathair
Rock Star
Silver Level
I've seen some PDF type things that came with Notecaddy Edge's HUD, and Leakbuster, that go over HUD stats, and different game situations, and how to apply them, but they are things that i have bought.
I know "Splitsuit" has written up a few things on HUD stats, that you can probably find on google.
I'm not sure if you have HM or PT, but you can probably find some good stuff on their forums also. back when i used PT, i found some cool layouts and custom stats on their site.
I know "Splitsuit" has written up a few things on HUD stats, that you can probably find on google.
I'm not sure if you have HM or PT, but you can probably find some good stuff on their forums also. back when i used PT, i found some cool layouts and custom stats on their site.
PokerTracker
Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
The HUD is designed to help you remember who your opponents are, you could do the exact same thing if you played the game in slow-motion while using pen and paper, instead the HUD automates this for you. We regularly hear players say that the HUD gives them an edge, but we do not agree with this... the HUD is a performance tool, it helps you perform better while playing, it does not improve your skill as a player but it does help you to recall the key characteristics of your opponents very quickly. In turn a new skill is needed to decipher stats and combine the information available so you can create what we like to call an "opponent profile" in your head. This is very similar to the opponent review process we all perform while playing live, the Human brain remembers faces, bodies, and voices but it is very hard for the brain to remember screen names - that is where PokerTracker's HUD becomes useful, it is the missing link for opponent memory.
There are so many books, videos, blogs, and magazine articles that discuss how to use a HUD in-game that it is hard to know where to start; but we suggest that you start by using PokerTracker 4's LeakTracker to learn more about each key stat.
iec
Rock Star
Silver Level
I know some basics what each stat means, also looked at LeakTracker briefly some time ago.
But I would like to have some deeper info and advices how to use nonoptimal opponent tendencies. It would add something to my game and hopefully it could be a beginning in a way to stop playing like a spewy retard
Also while LeakTracker offers info about some optimal stats, I would like to see optimal stats for speeed/zoom poker added as well.
To the others: thanks for the info about Splitsuit, will check it, also the hint to be aware about sufficient number of hands needed is useful.
And I know there are many videos, books, etc. but what do you consider to be the most comprehensive source?
Could save some time skipping tons of outdated or incomplete balast..
DonV73
Visionary
Silver Level
Yes, I too can confirm that it gives you an edge, an advantage vs players who don't use a HUD. You have info on them, that they don't have about you.
Personally I use Holdem Manager 2, which I really like a lot. I never used Poker Tracker though, so I can't compare.
Personally I use Holdem Manager 2, which I really like a lot. I never used Poker Tracker though, so I can't compare.
iec
Rock Star
Silver Level
One thing where I prefer hem (actually I only used hem1, not hem2) over pt4 are the content-based click popups.
May be it can be configured somehow in pt4, just don't know how.
If not, then this is a major weakens of pt4 and I am sure they are able to develop it to catch up.
I mean, in hem when you click on a stat you get a popup on that family of stats, this way you can keep hud small and always click at the group.
In pt4 you always get the same full popup where it's hard to find in time trouble the things you really need.
At least I couldn't find a way to set up this kind of popups, any chance this is possible somehow with pt4?
May be it can be configured somehow in pt4, just don't know how.
If not, then this is a major weakens of pt4 and I am sure they are able to develop it to catch up.
I mean, in hem when you click on a stat you get a popup on that family of stats, this way you can keep hud small and always click at the group.
In pt4 you always get the same full popup where it's hard to find in time trouble the things you really need.
At least I couldn't find a way to set up this kind of popups, any chance this is possible somehow with pt4?
PokerTracker
Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
We are the creators of the first commercially successful HUD as well as PokerTracker and it may shock you to learn that we disagree! The HUD does not give you an edge, it is a performance tool. If it gave you an edge then how come most people who use a HUD are not beating the game? The HUD is not a silver bullet, it will not make you a better player - but it will help you remember who your opponents are and how they played in the past, which allows you to focus more on the game... which is where your performance edge comes from. Theoretically if you slowed down the game, you could do exactly the same thing that PokerTracker does with pen and paper. The real value in tracking software is for post game analysis, that is FAR more valuable than the use of the HUD.. this is why many of the greatest players in the world disable their HUD but spend hours every week perfecting their game by reviewing hands and exploring reports in PokerTracker 4 or other trackers... that is the secret to becoming a world class player, always do your homework after the game is done, work to fix your flaws.
You can build this for yourself in PokerTracker 4, we do not provide these smaller content based popups by default because our usability research showed that the most effective method for most players was one popup with tabs that show multiple stats at the same time so you can review groups of information. There are numerous third party HUDs that contain content specific popups, this is good for some players but for the majority it is not ideal. Any stat can open popup in PT4, in fact you can have popups within popups if thats what you want.
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udbrky
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I agree. It will help you in a lot of ways, but you've still got to put in the time, pay attention, research, etc.
It gives you an edge in the same sense that having access to weights gives you an edge in sports. You can have them, but you still have to use them, practice, and work on your game.
It gives you an edge in the same sense that having access to weights gives you an edge in sports. You can have them, but you still have to use them, practice, and work on your game.
PokerTracker
Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
While in general I totally agree with the PT rep, Trackers can improve your game by showing you yourself how bad you are. (replace me/I /myself in that sentence).
That is exactly our point. It helps you improve your game away from the table by finding flaws in your own game, that is the true value.
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
This is absolutely true, and something I've been trying to get across to the anti-software crowd for ages. It's usually met with derision as if I'm using it as an excuse to cheat players with a HUD and so it "let's me sleep at night," LOL. The ironic thing is it's almost always from pretty bad recreational players who would have the most to learn from self-study using a tracker.
PokerTracker
Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
More truth - the main customer for tracking software are recreational and/or losing players, who are hoping to improve and start winning. Using a tracker with a HUD will not automatically make you a winner; but it is a great tool to help you empower yourself to learn more, find your own flaws, and improve your game. Those pretty bad players you speak of could gain a lot by using PokerTracker or similar Apps; but only if they were willing to devote the time to learn about their games... truth is most people don't do that even though the power to learn is right there in their own hands.
iec
Rock Star
Silver Level
Could someone direct me please to some place, where I can download some popup definitions that have the same final effect like content based popups in hem?
PokerTracker
Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
It is incredibly easy to build this yourself, it could take less time creating a popup that downloading one once you have a small amount of experience.
- Create a new Popup Group
- Add the stats you want for the context sensitive popup by adding them to the drag and drop interface
- Customize the data for each stat using the Item Properties section (top right). Change the font, background, position (SB, BB, etc), Has Position (in or out of position postflop), and add a text prefix or suffix so you know what the stats mean
- Click the Table Groups button to look at the on-table HUD, chose the group which you wish to add the context sensitive popup to. Select the stat you wish to assign the popup to, then in the Item Properties editor change the Popup property to match the name of the context sensistive popup.
Its that easy, just a few steps needed! There are quite a few third party companies that create downloadable HUD profiles, some for free, some for sale - google can help. Also you can visit the Download Warehouse to see what is available there. As an example, we recently used the NASH HUD profile from the Download Warehouse, exported the Nash popups and then added them to a user's standard HUD Profile and used this to create a new context sensisitive popup that was easy to access nash optimal charts in-game.