Understanding Poker Tracking Software

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How do I make it so I don't come up in other players Poker Tracker software? I really don't like cheaters so I don't want to give them this information about me if I can help it..
 
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First of all, using poker tracking software isn't cheating. If you don't want to deal with it, don't play online.

To answer your question: you can opt out of sites like sharkscope, but there is nothing that you can do about the fact that all the hands you play will be recorded by Hold'em Manager and PokerTracker.

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First of all, using poker tracking software isn't cheating. If you don't want to deal with it, don't play online.

To answer your question: you can opt out of sites like sharkscope, but there is nothing that you can do about the fact that all the hands you play will be recorded by Hold'em Manager and PokerTracker.

-HooDooKoo

Yeah if you need special software that people can't even get without paying for just to win than I'd say that's cheating. But to each his own.
 
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LOL. Whatever helps you sleep at night, fish.

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Bovada/bodog does not allow those trackers, as far as I know.
 
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Yeah if you need special software that people can't even get without paying for just to win than I'd say that's cheating. But to each his own.

Uhhh I know Carbon Poker offers a free poker tracker that tracks everyone's stats. So I'm pretty sure it's not cheating haha.
 
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Uhhh I know Carbon Poker offers a free poker tracker that tracks everyone's stats. So I'm pretty sure it's not cheating haha.

Is that why Bovada/Bodog doesn't allow them?

LOL. Whatever helps you sleep at night, fish.

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Coming from someone who needs to pay for special software just to win lmao, I'm in the top 10% of online players listed on Official Poker Rankings without this crap.. Fish. Wonder how you play in real life, oh that's right you can't without your special tools :p



What a sad bunch of players online poker has created, what has NLH become D:
 
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Is that why Bovada/Bodog doesn't allow them?



Coming from someone who needs to pay for special software just to win lmao, I'm in the top 10% of online players listed on Official Poker Rankings without this crap.. Fish. Wonder how you play in real life, oh that's right you can't without your special tools :p



What a sad bunch of players online poker has created, what has NLH become D:

I'm an online pro that lives in the US, and I only play at Bovada. As a result, I can't use the "special software", but I'm making a living playing poker without it --- so I'm pretty sure I'm not a fish.

Anytime you want to play HU for your entire bankroll, you let me know. Thanks.

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I'm an online pro that lives in the US, and I only play at Bovada. As a result, I can't use the "special software", but I'm making a living playing poker without it --- so I'm pretty sure I'm not a fish.

Anytime you want to play HU for your entire bankroll, you let me know. Thanks.

-HooDooKoo

Only an idiot would play HU with their entire bankroll. Any "pro" would know this, it's basic bankroll management.. But you still say you're a pro? Lol?
 
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Only an idiot would play HU with their entire bankroll. Any "pro" would know this, it's basic bankroll management.. But you still say you're a pro? Lol?

Try and catch up, sonny. I can play for YOUR entire bankroll, because your bankroll is a pittance to me. To put it another way, you'd be playing for your bankroll, but I'd be playing for pocket change.

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What software is the best for Full Flush?

I've always considered using software cheating but after coming to this site and seeing the overwhelming amount of people using it I'd have to be an idiot not to even the odds.

Whats the best for Full Flush?
 
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I've always considered using software cheating but after coming to this site and seeing the overwhelming amount of people using it I'd have to be an idiot not to even the odds.

Whats the best for Full Flush?

Holdem Manager 2 or PokerTracker 4

For a comparison between the two, read this:

http://www.pokerleakbuster.com/pokertracker_vs_holdemmanager.html

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Try and catch up, sonny. I can play for YOUR entire bankroll, because your bankroll is a pittance to me. To put it another way, you'd be playing for your bankroll, but I'd be playing for pocket change.

-HooDooKoo

Right. Because you know my bankroll, look I made you look dumb by outwitting you now you're trying to cover.. It's cool :p
 
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ya'll should stop arguing or take it to private messages

anyway poker tracker isn't cheating it gives an advantage but it's part of the online world and most places couldn't stop it unless they followed bovada way and went the anon route which a lot of players are against

so you have a couple options play on bovada, adapt, play live, or just accept that some people will have an advantage though poker software

i don't use the software and I've won plenty of money online
 
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How do I make it so I don't come up in other players Poker Tracker software? I really don't like cheaters so I don't want to give them this information about me if I can help it..

Hi YouPay4MyCrack, we have been providing software for online poker players for nearly 14 years, this is longer than most of the players here on Chardschat have been playing - and we are proud of the achievements our software has helped some players achieve. Personal tracking software tracks your own play, in turn it also tracks your personal experience with opponents. Due to the nature of the way a personal tracker works, this is an incomplete picture of your opponents - we designed it this way intentionally because the nerly universally accepted rules of the game allow you to make notes and record observations about your opponents. For example if you are in Las Vegas playing live, you can pull out a pad and paper and record everything you observe - this is 100% legal and within the rules of the game. PokerTracker automates this observation process, but only for hands that you are personally involved in and where the online poker provides hand histories written to your local computer specifically for the purpose of tracking your own records.

Its best to compare what we do to professional sports, I will use Baseball as the example. Baseball fans have access to stats for all of the teams, as well as all players. A Baseball fan has access to these stats even if they do not watch a game. Conversely an online poker player only has access to his own personal stats, we are not in the business of sharing stats for games you did not participate in. There are many promoters of online poker that want to "sportify" the game, if part of sportification is providing stats for all players regardless of your personal involvement in the game then we would not support this type of sportification - our experience is designed to be personal, this makes it a fair and acceptable use to utilise our tools on networks that allow and/or encourage the use of our service such as pokerstars, Party, iPoker, 888, and others.

Yeah if you need special software that people can't even get without paying for just to win than I'd say that's cheating. But to each his own.

PokerTracker is available for free as a signup incentive, and we have partnerships with various online poker rooms. At one time we even gave away a partypoker branded version of PokerTracker in the PartyPoker online store. We intentionally keep the cost very affordable so it is not out of reach; we want as many players as possible to consider using our software. Additionally our parnet brand Holdem Manager is currently testing hmcloud, this beta is available to test for free until it is released publicly at http://www.holdemmanager.com/hm-cloud/

Over the many years we have been in business we have heard from users who suggest we charge signifigantly more for our software than we do, we have heard from some players who think we should charge $5,000, or even $10,000 for access to our software - we of course think this is ridiculous; we prefer to offer it for a very affordable fee of $59.99 which is less than the price of dinner for two in many countries.

Some players argue that everyone should have access to a HUD, we disagree - we have always felt a HUD is an optional choice. Can you imagine if you were trading stocks and you were required to use a trading desk and review technical analysis before you made a trade? Trading desks are optional tools, in the same way that personal Trackers and HUDs are optional tools - nobody should be forced to opt in, it is a personal choice.

Bovada/Bodog does not allow those trackers, as far as I know.

Actually this is not true. The terms of service for Bovada do allow personal tracking. Bovada chose to provide hand histories 24 hours after the game is completed and include all of the hole cards. Can you imagine if you played a live poker game where at the end of the hand everyone turned over their hole cards - even those who folded preflop? Thats why we choose to not support Bovada. It might also surprise you to know that Bovada actually asked us to support their 4.0 software, we declined their request. We supported Bodog 3.0 software with the company's full permission, in fact we were close with the CEO at the time.

Coming from someone who needs to pay for special software just to win lmao, I'm in the top 10% of online players listed on Official Poker Rankings without this crap.. Fish. Wonder how you play in real life, oh that's right you can't without your special tools :p

I think you may be confusing the functionality of the HUD, which is just one feature of PokerTracker. The HUD is designed to help you multitable, it is an optional tool - some players actually disable their HUD while using PokerTracker. If you play in small fields of opponents or know all of your opponents as high stakes players do, then you may not need to use a HUD. If you play in massive fields of opponents and rarely come across the same opponents frequently then a HUD will help you remember who each of your opponents are. If you play at one table at a time taking meticulous notes then you may not need a HUD, but if you multitable it becomes very hard to take great notes which means the HUD becomes more helpful. The HUD will not make you a better player, any edge you gain is by making you more productive - this is a concept that confuses some players, the inherent advantage you gain by using a HUD is by being more productive. A similar concept exists in the financial markets, if you are a stock trader you do not have an edge if you use a trading desk; the trading desk is only designed to make you more productive.

anyway poker tracker isn't cheating it gives an advantage but it's part of the online world and most places couldn't stop it unless they followed bovada way and went the anon route which a lot of players are against

We support anonymous tables; but we do not support Bovada. See above for details

so you have a couple options play on bovada, adapt, play live, or just accept that some people will have an advantage though poker software

i don't use the software and I've won plenty of money online

A live game does not need a tracker, in a live game your brain performs the exact same function as PokerTracker. Problem is the human brain is "programed" to remember faces, not screen names... in a live game you can quickly get get a feel for your opponent's playing style, online we need more information because the brain does not process the observations in the same way - therefore we create stats, and you can use these stats in conjunction with one another to begin to create what we call an "opponent profile" in your mind that mimics the exact same process we naturally perform in a live game.

We like to compare PokerTracker to an encyclopedia. Owning an encyclopedia does not make you smarter, just like owning PokerTracker does not make you a better player... only those who take the time to study using the data contained within PokerTracker become better players. It takes lots of research AFTER the game is done for PokerTracker to help you to become a better player, those who review hands and sessions post-game by running various reports with filters will learn quicker than their counterparts how to improve their own games. Many players overvalue the use of the HUD, they mistakenly think of PokerTracker as a HUD & post game graph tool - if these same players instead used PokerTracker like a post-game encyclopedia reviewing their hands then they would get far more mour of our software.

As always, we are happy to answer any reasonable questions or concerns the OP or anyone else in this thread may have. Feel free to ask, we will do our best to give you honest and fair answers!
 
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I've always considered using software cheating but after coming to this site and seeing the overwhelming amount of people using it I'd have to be an idiot not to even the odds.

Whats the best for Full Flush?

Although we would love to have you as a customer, we must be honest - using tracking software will not "even the odds". The use of personal tracking software will not make you a better player, only you can make yourself a better player. Luckily for you personal tracking software can help you to help yourself become a better player - but this is mostly done after the game is over away from the tables through personal review of your play. The HUD will help you to become more productive decisions which in turn allow you to multitable easier - but once again the HUD cannot improve your play; but improvement can come with post-game review.

As for Full Flush, this is a skin on the equity Poker Network; this network is not supported by PokerTracker 4 or Holdem Manager 2.
 
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I don't use these type of Software & I run ok.
 
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Although we would love to have you as a customer, we must be honest - using tracking software will not "even the odds". The use of personal tracking software will not make you a better player, only you can make yourself a better player. Luckily for you personal tracking software can help you to help yourself become a better player - but this is mostly done after the game is over away from the tables through personal review of your play. The HUD will help you to become more productive decisions which in turn allow you to multitable easier - but once again the HUD cannot improve your play; but improvement can come with post-game review.

As for Full Flush, this is a skin on the Equity Poker Network; this network is not supported by PokerTracker 4 or Holdem Manager 2.


Well I mean for other players. I thought this stuff tells you how often they fold to c-bet, etc...?
 
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Well I mean for other players. I thought this stuff tells you how often they fold to c-bet, etc...?

Tracking software like PokerTracker and Holdem Manager track your own play. While tracking your own play, you are also tracking the games you play in - which means you must also track the opponents you face in these games to have a proper accounting of your own game play. You will therefore get stats on your opponents as a side effect of tracking your own play, but we only record the hands you play vs these opponents. Getting stats on opponents from hands you have not personally plaid is considered datamining, which is (to the best of our knowledge) against the terms of service for each online poker network we support - and we don't know of any sites that still allow this that we do not support (years ago this was allowed by a few sites, but that has changed over time).

Hope this explanation helps, feel free to ask additional questions.
 
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Tracking software like PokerTracker and Holdem Manager track your own play. While tracking your own play, you are also tracking the games you play in - which means you must also track the opponents you face in these games to have a proper accounting of your own game play. You will therefore get stats on your opponents as a side effect of tracking your own play, but we only record the hands you play vs these opponents. Getting stats on opponents from hands you have not personally plaid is considered datamining, which is (to the best of our knowledge) against the terms of service for each online poker network we support - and we don't know of any sites that still allow this that we do not support (years ago this was allowed by a few sites, but that has changed over time).

Hope this explanation helps, feel free to ask additional questions.


Oh wow, it appears I was under a false impression on this. That actually seems perfectly reasonable to me. Lol, I was getting all mad over nothing.
 
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Oh wow, it appears I was under a false impression on this. That actually seems perfectly reasonable to me. Lol, I was getting all mad over nothing.
used to be ok. remember reading once on full Tilt and probably on a few other sites, you could just open loads of tables and just observe while holdem manager was running and it would track all the players without you even being there.

Open up tables run HEM and when you came back from work have loads of hands!!!

Think some sites even sell hand histories, but probably illegal :mad:
 
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Holdem management 2 and poker tracker 4 similar programs, the most popular and of course not free)
 
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A few sites used to allow it. WPN is the last as far as I know to allow it, but a recent update closed the loophole. We do not support datamining, as it is against most site's terms and conditions.

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Think some sites even sell hand histories, but probably illegal :mad:

That is true, some sites do sell hand histories - and sadly there is nothing we can do to stop them from being used in our software. Datamining against the terms of the online poker room can only occur when a site provides "observed hands", these are hands where the Hero was not dealt in. Its our jub to support the hand historys provided by the online poker room, if they provide observed hands then we need to support these hands - and that is the loophole that dataminers take advantage of. Ironically one of the only networks that no longer provides observed hands is WPN; they recently removed the ability to push observed hands to your desktop from their network; and in turn changed their terms of service to make datamining against the rules for the first time. The management of WPN are close friends, we applaud their decision, it was the right thing to do. Hopefully other online poker networks will follow in their footsteps in the future.

A few sites used to allow it. WPN is the last as far as I know to allow it, but a recent update closed the loophole.

To further clarify, we (the parent company of both Holdem Manager and PokerTracker) advised WPN to close this loophole, it was the right thing to do.
 
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Oh wow, it appears I was under a false impression on this. That actually seems perfectly reasonable to me. Lol, I was getting all mad over nothing.

We find that many players who were "up in arms" that trackers exist are usually just misinformed, when they speak with us or become better informed the majority of players quickly realize the service our software provides is 100% legitimate, and actually has an important purpose in the online poker ecology. Unfortunately we cannot stop the rumors and misinformation, much of which comes from well meaning players who are just misinformed. This is one of the reasons why we participate on forums, it helps us to get the truth out to the general public.

Thanks for taking the time to learn, we are honored you are now "on our side"!
 
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