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Hey.

Is there anyway possible to see preflop all-in EV somehow. I would like to see my preflop all-in EV and actual chips won.
Lately have had trouble concentrating and keeping my volume up because of bad beats. I keep telling myself it's just temporary and variance. Also i try to keep in mind of selective memory, you remember more bad beats than good ones.
Last few weeks have been a mess for me, in the bubble losing higher pocket pairs vs lower ones, higher Ax vs lower Ax or even worse random hand. While only won few hands while i was behind myself.
I keep telling myself, brain remembers bad beats more than good ones, but im getting frustrated already here and my game volume drops drastically. When ever i feel like im starting to get tilted i end my session, and many bad beats in a row can make it happen easily.
For that reason i want to have evidence for my stupid brain that its all just variance and selective memory:D and it will pass.
 
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Not sure about preflop all-in EV, but If I were you I wouldn't obsess over pre-flop all-in EV. Instead I would just focus on EV in general. You can easily access this stat with Poker Tracker 4 or with Holdem Manager.

The other thing I would recommend is to keep pen and paper beside your desk. When you are all in pre flop with AA vrs 22 count how many times you win. Then count how many times you lose. Same for when you are behind and suck out. Either way having a written record in front of you will help. Or just count on PT4 or HM whatever works best for you. Good luck!

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There is a lot of misunderstanding about what "EV" is, unfortunately it is not really a measurement of luck, it is a measurement of Expectation - which is vastly different from luck. PokerTracker 4 attempts to correct this misunderstanding by no longer using the term EV at all, because true EV is a measurement of any action vs an opponent's range, EV is not supposed to be all-in vs another specific hand after the action took place. In true EV calculation the opponent's range includes hands that would call and lose, hands that would fold, and hands that would call and win (sometimes there are no hands that would call and lose or call and win but thats not important to this example). Instead of All-In EV, we use the term All-In equity. Thats a lot more logical, because what we are really doing is taking two or more hands and comparing their equity, then multiplying the equity by the size of the pot.

PokerTracker 4's All-In Equity calculation is the most advanced we have seen to date, we account for ties and use full enumeration while calculating the equity in multiway pots, in headsup pots we use a very accurate montecarlo lookup table to save time. We start the calculation from the point where there are no further betting actions to take in the pot, in the event of multiway pots we disqualify any hands where a player's hand is unknown if they in fact had equity in the pot; this is because we cannot calculate that player's equity, mathematically it would be wrong to assign that player a 100% hand range. Admittedly this results in a slightly positive bias, but it is much better than a negative bias that would occur if we assigned random hands in multiway pots and did not disqualify these hands. For optimal results, all-in equity adjusted winnings should only be calculated in headsup games, but we understand that is not what the users would want - so we give this disclaimer that a bias will be unavoidable in multiway pots where one player's equity is undetermined.

If you play tournaments then you should also look at Net Adjusted Winnings, this is ICM-converted Equity Adjusted Winnings in your currency, rather than in chips. This stat shows how your actions at a final table show your net expectation of the prize pool - once again this is not a measurement of luck, its a measurement of expectation.

When choosing a software application to automate your All-In Equity (or all-in ev in other applications) be sure to ask the developers what their calculation methods are, you will find that others differ from this description - you should know what the differences are and how it affects your results.
 
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So as i understand preflop all-in EV isnt exactly the right stat im looking for. Right now im using PokerTracker 4 and found a way to filter my hands: "Raise all-in + Call all-in + Went to showdown" for every possible hole card. Manually writing down on the paper every hand and its outcome with opponents strength against mine (x% vs y% = outcome), but it takes alot of time doing manually. I was curious is it somehow possible automatically with some kind of software, with graphic or not, last part rly doesnt matter.
 
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So as i understand preflop all-in EV isnt exactly the right stat im looking for. Right now im using PokerTracker 4 and found a way to filter my hands: "Raise all-in + Call all-in + Went to showdown" for every possible hole card. Manually writing down on the paper every hand and its outcome with opponents strength against mine (x% vs y% = outcome), but it takes alot of time doing manually. I was curious is it somehow possible automatically with some kind of software, with graphic or not, last part rly doesnt matter.

When you are in the View Stats page of PT4. On the left hand side you will see a number of boxes you ahve the option of checking. The first one is "Show Player Name". The second one is Display All-in Equity.

Displaying All-in Equity is the one that you want.

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So as i understand preflop all-in EV isnt exactly the right stat im looking for. Right now im using PokerTracker 4 and found a way to filter my hands: "Raise all-in + Call all-in + Went to showdown" for every possible hole card. Manually writing down on the paper every hand and its outcome with opponents strength against mine (x% vs y% = outcome), but it takes alot of time doing manually. I was curious is it somehow possible automatically with some kind of software, with graphic or not, last part rly doesnt matter.


We have a cash game report called All-In Equity Adjusted that will accomplish your goal, but you will instead need to use the filter (Raised All-In) OR (Went All-In)
. Went All-In is found under the Preflop>Calls section of the Actions & Opportunities filters. Be sure to use add an OR logic qualifier, do not use AND.

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Is there anyway i can do that for tournaments hands, because i am playing STT sngs.
 
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Is there anyway i can do that for tournaments hands, because i am playing STT sngs.

This is a lot more complicated for tournaments, it is not as logical to create a simple to understand report that makes sense between various blind sizes. We have put a lot of thought into this but so far haven't figured out the best way to implement the grouping of the report to balance the needs of all players, of course we are always open to suggestions.

In the meantime you can create this report on your own using PT4's My Reports feature, this is an easy report to tailor for your own needs.
 
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