PokerSnowie anyone?

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I've heard about pokersnowie pokercoach somewhere and decided to take a look at the site, i have never planed to invest money in coaching sites but snowie looks promising, i didn't downloaded a trial yet, ill have a lot of free time later this month so ill do it then, till then ill play with preflop adviser which looks good...

Have anyone already have some experience with pokersnowie, maybe have membership and had some success after being coached at snowie?

Any feedback would be appreciated

Thanks in advance!!!!
 
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I have it.

Some stuff is highly questionable and doesn't work at low levels but it is useful about certain lines. Sizing is terrible (1/2 pot, pot, 2x pot) and it doesn't take pot odds and stack sizes into consideration, meaning it happily check folds OESD on the flop OOP even if the price is cheap etc.

Price tag is way too high for what it offers, especially for micro level players (where PC is worthless anyway).

I will most likely not take a 2nd year unless I get a massive price reduction.

Edit: I play FR, maybe 6max is better.
 
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I also play FR...

i already downloaded preflop adviser on my phone, it is 6-max too but it can be kinda helpful if i take away some bottom hands...

What you get for the membership, only the pokercoach? Im certainly not ready to pay for a full year, and i most certainly wont pay anything, but i wont decide till i DL it and take a trial...
 
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Is this that software that uses GTO to "coach"? I've heard 'Pokersnowie' name but never really looked at it.
 
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Is this that software that uses GTO to "coach"? I've heard 'Pokersnowie' name but never really looked at it.

yup that's it...

thou till i visited the site i didnt know what GTO really means :eek:
 
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Yes but it has serious problems with FR play.
- It thinks all limpers are trapping with strong hands and is "afraid" of them.
- It is very limited as far as bet sizing goes, meaning it is easy to trick it into folding with proper sizing.
- It likes to check call a lot, which is fine if other players are willing to bet for you. Problem is when they are passive and you get no value from your own made hands while you pay for theirs.
- It is way too willing to stack off preflop with AK. Against players with tight stackoff ranges this is suicide.
- Small bet sizing if it cbets (1/2 pot on the flop) gives fantastic odds for drawing hands.

There are also some bugs etc. but that is expected, still then why is the price so high?

I experimented with pure PC game play in practice and it has mixed results but not better than my own so what is the point. Opening 2.2bb in full ring invites all sorts of crap in and often you are against 3 players who all have position on you. Have fun nutmining :D

It might be useful as far as blind defense goes, or you can go read an article or two.

6max is simpler and I guess PC might be much stronger there.
 
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Thanks a bunch for the input LD!!!!!!

highly appreciated!!!!!!
 
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No problem.

They said they received a lot of complaints about sizing (2.2bb preflop + 50% pot cbet only sometimes means by the turn your strong hands are in the crapper a lot of the time) and will introduce 3/4 pot bets eventually.

Problem is that will take time while the software grinds hundreds of millions of hands, but when that feature arrives I might reconsider my position.
 
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I would imagine as you get to higher and higher stakes the better poker snowie gets. Players will play more g.t.o. then at the lower stakes. This does not account for your opponents, who will all not play g.t.o. and that is where you have to distinguish the differences between what is right and what is wrong. Bet sizing is also another issue across the board, but most people bet 50-75% the pot every street, with the occasional p.s.b. on the river.
 
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* facepalm *


Hey, he got another post count from it :cool: :p



@OP

I've got a poker-brained friend who swears by PokerSnowie. I've watched a few videos and I may have to take small steps with the GTO thing. It's a lot.

Keep us updated on how/what you do with it, please.
 
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I thought it was Okay for practicing heads-up play with it. It doesn't take very long to learn how to manipulate it though.
 
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I think it is best for 6max, small stakes and up (not micros!). It has problems with FR (already mentioned) and heads up a human will learn how to outplay it (bet sizing problems).
 
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I tried to play a bit with preflop advisor, blind defending, facing the 3 bet from blinds when btn and i opposite and the ranges he gives me it seems a bit wide...
duggs somewhere mentioned that snowie is pointless for micros because players are unbalanced... does it mean that their oppening range is pretty much the same from ep and co/btn...
 
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Any comments on PokerSnowie?

Came across this site and in their FAQ section in part they state:

"PokerSnowie is a very strong No Limit Hold'em poker player. Its knowledge is based on artificial intelligence neural networks and mathematical models, and its experience is the result of trillions of hands of gameplay against itself over the course of a decade.
PokerSnowie has no expert knowledge built in and its goal is to develop a perfectly balanced and un-exploitable strategy, making it the perfect partner to help you develop a long term winning strategy."

Curious to know if any members have tried this AI program and if they would recommend it for a newbie playing at the micro level.

Any input, comments, criticism, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Once again, stay healthy and happy. Regards, Teddy_Guvnah
 
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I play NL5 6max zoom and for me it works wonders. It gets it wrong, imo, over 50% of the time as it does not care about aggressive value thin bets against very loose players and stuff like that. So you can’t trust it blindly. However, it has pinpointed two glaring mistakes (undervaluing combo draws, over valuing two pair hands) in my play. Going over blunders is what I do, I totally skip the errors section.
It’s too expensive for micro player. I only have a demo.
 
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I play NL5 6max zoom and for me it works wonders. It gets it wrong, imo, over 50% of the time as it does not care about aggressive value thin bets against very loose players and stuff like that. So you can’t trust it blindly. However, it has pinpointed two glaring mistakes (undervaluing combo draws, over valuing two pair hands) in my play. Going over blunders is what I do, I totally skip the errors section.
It’s too expensive for micro player. I only have a demo.

Omg, I heard about guys breaking even at 500NL Zoom playing "with the help of" PokerSnowie advices but you're using it for 5NL?! FIVE fu**ing NL?! FFS, soon we will even have recreational players trying to play "optimal" at 2NL...NLHE is dying. Lol :afraid:
 
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Pokersnowie great imho

I bought Snowie when it first came out. I have to say that of all the products I have bought Snowie is up there as probably the single piece of software that has given me the biggest ROI. I have to qualify this by saying that I have a very specific use for it as I use it solely for warming up pre sesh and at the same time practising/warming up HU. As with everything poker related it all depends what level you are at with your game, but it has made me so confident HU that it has become the strongest part of my game. They have different pricing options so for €39 a year as including Challenge Snowie if you are at all unsure about HU play I cannot recommend it enough. I regularly destroy SN players on Stars HU now. I play MTTs and 180 SNG. Im yet to make a major score in MTTs (come close alot mind you) so my graph is a big downslide as yet,but run as marginally profitable in the 180s so I am by no means Phil Ivey here, but when I get HU I am a confident and good if not excellent player, mainly thanks to Snowie. Alot of pro coaches on the training sites are concerned with Snowie, theres some interesting threads out there, specifically they feel that Snowie does not need to be that good to really harm the cash games. Also, the Snowie team really pushed the GTO angle, but Robert Gobbo the CEO of Snowie had to retract much of the GTO hype in a thread somewhere due to heavy criticism from GTO specialists who doubted Snowies claims as a perfect GTO engine.
Imo great product. Peace.
 
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