NoWuckingFurries
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It's not a glitch, it has been addressed previously in the pt4/hm2 support threads if i recall. It's related to the formula's used to calculate and yes if I remember correctly it has to do with raising from the bb when it has been limped around.......it up's your pfr but not vpip or something along those lines.
The support threads are stickied in the following section:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-software-tools-61/
I think it's because of the situations when someone before you has gone all-in (or at least bet more than what you have in your stack), in which case your pfr wouldn't change (whether or not you fold or call all-in) as you don't have an opportunity to raise, but if you fold your vpip would of course decrease. This is because vpip = times you voluntarily put money in pot preflop / times you had a change to put money in pot preflop, and similarly pfr = times you raised preflop / times you had a change to raise preflop. So if someone has gone all-in, you don't have a change to raise so that hand won't count for pfr but as you had an opportunity to put money in pot, it will affect the vpip negatively..
If I called a shove then I would expect my VPIP to be higher than my PFR, which is an extremely common situation.
Has to be a glitch. PFR is a fraction of the times you vpip. It canot be more than 100%.
I read the explanation after I posted and tried to delete. Very odd but I guess it makes sense. I don't imagine it will change much either way after you have a few hands banked.Its is not a glitch, this is a more mathematically accurate method which both HM2 and PT4 employs. Both brands have been using this newer more accurate method of calculating VPIP and PFR for a few years now, it has been widely adopted and praised for its accuracy.
I don't imagine it will change much either way after you have a few hands banked.
As some of you may know, PokerTracker and HoldemManager have different formulas for calculating aggression frequency. (I'm talking about the stat that is in the range of 0%-100%, not aggression factor, which is a (bets+raises)/calls.) HoldemManager's version is (bets+raises)/(folds+calls+checks) and PokerTracker's (bets+raises)/(folds+calls). So the difference is that PokerTracker doesn't include checks in the calculation of the aggression frequency (AFq), which means that PokerTracker's aggression factor will be higher than HoldemManager's.
Which one do you think is better? I would like to hear some solid arguments for either side. And it would be nice if PokerTracker and HoldemManager representatives (who posted it this thread earlier today) could give the reasoning behind their formulas.
As some of you may know, PokerTracker and HoldemManager have different formulas for calculating aggression frequency. (I'm talking about the stat that is in the range of 0%-100%, not aggression factor, which is a (bets+raises)/calls.) HoldemManager's version is (bets+raises)/(folds+calls+checks) and PokerTracker's (bets+raises)/(folds+calls). So the difference is that PokerTracker doesn't include checks in the calculation of the aggression frequency (AFq), which means that PokerTracker's aggression factor will be higher than HoldemManager's.
Which one do you think is better? I would like to hear some solid arguments for either side. And it would be nice if PokerTracker and HoldemManager representatives (who posted it this thread earlier today) could give the reasoning behind their formulas.
Came across an even stranger one in the Full Tilt freeroll (thanks for the freerolls, CC )
when FTP_Marcs was showing at 7/14 after 17 hands!
This is not strange if you understand that a stat is a measurement of actions divided by the opportunity to take that action. In PT4 the actions and opportunities are displayed by default, if you saw this data then you could quickly calculate how this is possible.
But if you PFR, you VPIP'd by definition.
Earlier in the thread it was explained how different ways of calculating them could lead to minor discrepancies, but 7/14 doesn't sound minor. Obviously 14/7 is an everyday occurrence (because I tend to play too passively).