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Hi guys.

Thought I would start a new thread about mac compatible software.

I keep searching for different software, there is an abundance of it for windows, but it seems limited for mac. I have poker co-pilot already which is very good. Can anyone recommend any other decent trackers, table finders, calculators etc etc

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Yep!

Get PT4 which is compatible with Mac. It has an equity calculator in it but if you don't like it you can get PokerCruncher from the AppStore.

I love PT4 but the only downside is that b/c of OS, you cant run fast tables (Zoom/Rush) with a HUD unless you split your hard drive using BootCamp to install Windows.
 
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PokerTracker 4 includes the most advanced calculator built into a tracker. it includes custom range modeling (which no other calculator has at this time), the streets are automatically populated from the replayer, and if you play Omaha we have full range creation and range elimination - which makes it possible to create real-world omaha ranges. If you are a tournament player then you will be amazed to find that we include a full ICM simulation AND calculation suite of tools, thanks to our tournament detection engine we can determine most tournament payout structures which allows us to use this data to determine the ICM value of each chip, combined with all-in Equity, to create Net Adjusted Winnings. This is a new stat that shows how your all-in equity reflects your prize pool expectation, rather than your expectation in chips won or lost as found in All-in equity adjusted winnings (sometimes called all-in EV, but in reality this is not EV because it is a results based automated process instead of a range selection). We also include automated note tracking in our Mac version, and TableTracker which is a table finding solution.

As pocketehs pointed out, we do not support Zoom or Rush HUDs on the Mac version of PT4 because we do not have a good way of determining which players are in each seat. In Windows we were able to gain this information from the operating system, but the Mac OS does not permit us to work in the same way. We looked into OCR (Optical Character Recognition) but it was not reliable solution, there are too many opportunities for errors in the data to consider this a viable solution. I'm afraid as pocketehs said, you must play in a Windows VM if you intend to play Zoom or Rush tables. We do support OnGame's STROBE fast poker tables in OSX, so that is another option you could consider.

Think of our software as a suite of poker tools for the mac.
 
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PokerTracker 4 includes the most advanced calculator built into a tracker. it includes custom range modeling (which no other calculator has at this time), the streets are automatically populated from the replayer, and if you play Omaha we have full range creation and range elimination - which makes it possible to create real-world omaha ranges. If you are a tournament player then you will be amazed to find that we include a full ICM simulation AND calculation suite of tools, thanks to our tournament detection engine we can determine most tournament payout structures which allows us to use this data to determine the ICM value of each chip, combined with all-in Equity, to create Net Adjusted Winnings. This is a new stat that shows how your all-in equity reflects your prize pool expectation, rather than your expectation in chips won or lost as found in All-in equity adjusted winnings (sometimes called all-in EV, but in reality this is not EV because it is a results based automated process instead of a range selection). We also include automated note tracking in our Mac version, and TableTracker which is a table finding solution.

I honestly had no idea the equity calculator populates the board. Thats so sick.

Wondering however what you mean by custom range modelling?
 
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I honestly had no idea the equity calculator populates the board. Thats so sick.

Wondering however what you mean by custom range modelling?

What is a 10% range? Some would say it is 55+,A8s+,ATo+, that would be correct using the Sklansky Karlson range model, but others would say it is 88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo using the Hand vs Three Randoms range model (which is used by PokerStove and is the most commonly found range model in equity tools). As you can see from this simple example, the range is subjective, all we know is that they are playing 10% of hands, what that 10% consists of is unknown - but you can create multiple models of real world ranges commonly used by players including weighted, balanced, polarized or depolarized range models - its all up to your instinct and creativity. To do this select Configure and then chose Hand Range Models. Warning - this is a very advanced tool, it exists primarily for experts and theoretical researchers.
 
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I'm wondering if anyone (pocketehs perhaps?) has used PokerCruncher and can comment on how useful (and user friendly) it is? If so, would you suggest using the ipad version or the Mac version? Also, can anyone compare/contrast it with PT4's Equity Calculator? I have PT4 on a Mac and have looked at their calculator, but cannot really tell how well PokerCruncher might compare.
 
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I'm wondering if anyone (pocketehs perhaps?) has used PokerCruncher and can comment on how useful (and user friendly) it is? If so, would you suggest using the iPad version or the Mac version? Also, can anyone compare/contrast it with PT4's Equity Calculator? I have PT4 on a Mac and have looked at their calculator, but cannot really tell how well PokerCruncher might compare.

I happen to have this application for iPad. Its handy for on-the-go quick equity analysis, the interface is a little complicated for such an easy task but I have found it useful while playing live and a desktop is not available. The range creation tools are the best I have found on an iPad format so far, but they are not as good as the range creation tools available in PT4, equilab, or other commonly used equity tools on Mac & PC. I have no experience with the OS X version of PokerCruncher so I cannot compare.

- This post is from TT, who works at PokerTracker. This is not an official PokerTracker opinion.
 
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Thanks TT - I bought PokerCruncher for the iPad the other day and so far am loving it. The interface took a little while to get used to, but after a couple of days it has become intuitive. I have used it so far for 'what-if' analyses/modelling how best to tighten up my betting/calling ranges. It works wonderfully for that!

I've also tried using it as a companion for live play, and like it for that as well. But that takes some pretty fast and nimble fingers.

Not sure what you mean when you say that it is not as good re: range creation tools, as the options seem pretty extensive to me. I wonder if you could expand on that (unless you are talking specifically about Omaha. I'm just using it for Hold'em)? I now have both tools (PokerCruncher and PT4 - Equilab isn't available for the Mac), so if they could both complement each that would be even better.

PS - I plan to write a more extensive review once I've spent more time with PokerCruncher. Still, for the price, I think that it would be hard/impossible to beat this as an iPad App.
 
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I now have both tools (PokerCruncher and PT4 - Equilab isn't available for the Mac), so if they could both complement each that would be even better.

I should add that I really like the PT4 replayer, and use that extensively right after significant hands, or later on when I am analyzing where I went wrong/right. So I guess you could say that I am already using both tools together - PT4 for the hand data capture/replay and the other player's data/stats, and PokerCruncher for the 'what-if' type questions.

What I was really asking (and perhaps I misunderstood you TT) is what features the PT4 Equity Calculator has that PokerCruncher doesn't, such that they might complement each other?
 
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What I was really asking (and perhaps I misunderstood you TT) is what features the PT4 Equity Calculator has that PokerCruncher doesn't, such that they might complement each other?

Quite a few things actually.

1) Range modeling. PokerCruncher appears to use the Hand vs 3 Randoms model, which was originally designed for limit holdem many years ago. PokerTracker includes Hand vs 3 Randoms and also the Sklansky Karlson models by default, plus the end user can create and share their own models - for example I created weighted 3Bet ranges for polarized and depolarized ranges.

2) Ties are accounted for

3) The equity calculator is populated by the hand replayer, which saves you a lot of time

4) You can save ranges and reuse them (both applications allow the import and export of "scenarios" however)

5) Both Hand rank and Suit wildcards are available

And of course there is Omaha, but as you pointed out thats something that doesn't matter for your needs, but for some players its a blessing.

In turn there are some features that PT4 does not have, the only thing I see that would be useful is the export of Scenario text - but this is compensated for because we include street by street equity breakdowns in hand history texts.

- TT
 
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Quite a few things actually.

1) Range modeling. PokerCruncher appears to use the Hand vs 3 Randoms model, which was originally designed for limit holdem many years ago. PokerTracker includes Hand vs 3 Randoms and also the Sklansky Karlson models by default, plus the end user can create and share their own models - for example I created weighted 3Bet ranges for polarized and depolarized ranges.

2) Ties are accounted for

3) The equity calculator is populated by the hand replayer, which saves you a lot of time

4) You can save ranges and reuse them (both applications allow the import and export of "scenarios" however)

5) Both Hand rank and Suit wildcards are available

And of course there is Omaha, but as you pointed out thats something that doesn't matter for your needs, but for some players its a blessing.

In turn there are some features that PT4 does not have, the only thing I see that would be useful is the export of Scenario text - but this is compensated for because we include street by street equity breakdowns in hand history texts.

- TT

Started fooling around this this after we talked about it last and the bolded are the reasons why I prefer the PT4 equity calculator over PokerCruncher.

I like pokercruncher for the fact it shows the playability of hands vs a range but I find selecting / unselecting not very user-friendly and kind of annoying tbh.

Posting a question for TT in the PT4 chat now regarding the bell curve function :)

EDIT: found a response in this video http://www.pokertracker.com/videos/...iew-stats-leaktracker-overall-luck-bell-curve.
 
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