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hey im just getting started into online poker, whats the best type of HUD to use? also whats the best training site to watch videos at?
 
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If you're brand new I wouldn't worry about a HUD too much. I'd focus more on learning the game. That said, something like Hold'em Indicator might be ok because it helps with hand strength, out, pot-odds and that kind of thing. Has a HUD as well, but not that customizable.

As far as training goes, I would look at a youtuber named Gripsed. I'll put a link to his channel at the bottom of this post, with the videos sorted in a way that should be helpful to you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gripsed/videos?sort=da&flow=grid&view=0
 
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If you're brand new I wouldn't worry about a HUD too much.

I would have to disagree. As I'm still working through my first 10k hands and new to the game myself, everyone I've talked to -online and off- told me to get myself set up with a HUD asap. It's not really the "HUD" that is so necessary, it's the statistical tracking and data mining that you can review post session.

I tried out both PokerTracker4 and Holdem Manager 2 for a month on their free trial and I just bought PT4 the other day. The vector HUD is smooth and glitch free and the built in LeakTracker is fantastic.

Combine this with a training site like DeucesCracked or Grinderschool, as well as reviewing hand histories on a forum like this one, and you have a nice little launching point for yourself.
 
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You won't find anything on a paid training site that is valuable to a beginner that isn't on Youtube and forums like this one for free. I think a training site to a brand new player is burning money. Those sites don't make videos for new players, it's the at-least somewhat experienced that they cater too.

As for the software, I'm an avid Pokertracker user also, but I think bogging a beginner down with such advanced software isn't the best thing to do. Especially considering it doesn't do real time pot-odds calculations etc.

Hold'em Indicator does do that, and does allow for playback of hands as well. So you can review. Save the more advanced trackers for when you are a little more sure of yourself I would say.

It can take a long time to decide on a product, learn how to use it, and configure the way you like. Frankly, a new player doesn't even know what they want yet.
 
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I think a training site to a brand new player is burning money.

Perhaps, although most of them give you a free 7 day trial where you're free to download as many videos as you want. GrinderSchool is specifically designed to cater to microstakes players and they're currently running a special during this month of December where their subs start as long as $4.99/mo. Not bad, if you ask me.

As for the software - I fell in love with the HUDS right away and would already feel kind of naked without them up and running already. I think both PT4 and HM2 are phenomenal products with excellent customer support.

Allow me to digress and say that a lot of what you've written is true. I just think that a new player would really enjoy trying out the different training sites and software suites. I know I did.
 
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I believe PT4 or HM2 are basically equally as good. As a beginner you probably will not be able to fully appreciate all its features at first. But, it is good to start with one and get use to it.

I believe that training sites are a valuable tool. I have tried several of the major ones in the past. Each of them have videos for beginning players and as you move up have more advanced videos. But, a subscription at Grinderschool for $4.99/mo is very cheap. However, I have never seen or heard about it so I can not talk about the quality of videos.
 
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I forgot about Grinderschool. I've never tried it, but I can vouch for a couple of the coaches. It may have some more newbie oriented vids.

I think training sites are great. I also think Pokertracker/HEM becomes essential.. I just disagree that it's a good idea to jump right into it.

Like has already been said, it's fun to learn them and play around with the stats, and settings.. but all that distracts from learning poker.

Poker first. Software second. Don't let the tools become the game.
 
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As for the software, I'm an avid Pokertracker user also, but I think bogging a beginner down with such advanced software isn't the best thing to do. Especially considering it doesn't do real time pot-odds calculations etc.


We have performed a tremendous amount of research on this topic, our analysis with real quantifiable data disagrees with your belief. We encourage players to start with tracking software from the day they start playing, they can safely ignore the HUD - but the tracking components are critical to helping players find their mistakes after the session is complete. A beginning player can use the basic functionality of the tracker, and disable the HUD, to allow them to advance quicker. Many (if not most) of our users put too much emphasis on the HUD, the true value of the HUD is for multitabling and remembering who your opponents are... but the real gold in PokerTracker is in post-game review of your play to assure that fewer mistakes are made in the future.

PS: Pot-odds calculations in game is not permitted at many poker networks, some networks consider this to be a violation of the terms of service. This is why PokerTracker 4 kees all pot-odds calculations within the replayer, never on the table while you are playing. Its best for beginning players to learn how to perform pot-odds calculations on their own, rather than use a shortcut tool in game, and then review the hand after the session is done to verify if their decision was correct. This is how grade school students learn math, its also the best way to learn how to play poker - Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
 
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We have performed a tremendous amount of research on this topic, our analysis with real quantifiable data disagrees with your belief. We encourage players to start with tracking software from the day they start playing, they can safely ignore the HUD - but the tracking components are critical to helping players find their mistakes after the session is complete. A beginning player can use the basic functionality of the tracker, and disable the HUD, to allow them to advance quicker. Many (if not most) of our users put too much emphasis on the HUD, the true value of the HUD is for multitabling and remembering who your opponents are... but the real gold in PokerTracker is in post-game review of your play to assure that fewer mistakes are made in the future.

PS: Pot-odds calculations in game is not permitted at many poker networks, some networks consider this to be a violation of the terms of service. This is why PokerTracker 4 kees all pot-odds calculations within the replayer, never on the table while you are playing. Its best for beginning players to learn how to perform pot-odds calculations on their own, rather than use a shortcut tool in game, and then review the hand after the session is done to verify if their decision was correct. This is how grade school students learn math, its also the best way to learn how to play poker - Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

I agree with this, I'm just not so sure that beginners take this approach in practical application.

Shutting off the HUD while learning the game is something I would consider crucial, yet I think most new players would use it anyway. They'd get lost in customizing, and figuring what the stats mean and how to apply them. All important to do, but not at the brand new player level.

And I also agree that learning how to do the math in your head is also critical. But that skill takes time, and is aided in my opinion by having a real time aid to reference for accuracy.

Don't worry Pokertracker, I think you're the best, just all things in their time! :)
 
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I suggest you just getting from some good poker books.That will give you a good foundation.

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