Interesting Anti-Rigging Idea

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So I was reading and came across this thread about this poker room that was supposedly operational for a period of time which aimed to squash rigging or should I say suspicions of rigging' but basically eliminating the RNG...I was amused...here is the article....


THE REAL DEAL POKER SYSTEM

Real Deal Poker was supposed to be the perfect "anti-rigging" room. However, after a short period of test, it has been "temporarily closed" for a while and nobody knows whether it'll reopen or not.

Still, the idea behind Real Deal Poker is very interesting as far as rigging is concerned.

Indeed, Real Deal Poker uses no RNG, which means no virtual and untrustworthy algorithm that noone can check. Insteak, the room uses real cards with a card-shuffling machine, monitored 24/7 with recorded video. Decks are shuffled in advance and cards come from these decks.

This brings a whole new way of thinking online poker, with something real new and powerful against rigging : traceability!
Every shuffled deck is recorded on tape and it becomes pretty easy, in case of doubt, to just watch the video. If the game played differs from what's on tape for that deck, then the game can be cancelled and the money refunded.

This whole video watching process was being done by an independant company. As I said earlier, "independant company" doesn't mean much : As we say in france, on ne mord pas la main qui nous nourrit, or if you prefer : one doesn't bite the hand that feeds us. But the mere existence of a videocapture of the decks makes the whole process less likely of being bogus.

Besides, the company that was to make the verification was paid for each verification. And who paid? Not the room, but the player himself. The idea was that the player who was skeptical about what happened at his table would pay €50 for the independant company to review the game, and the player would get €5000 from Real Deal if they were proven faulty. While it doesn't solve everything, at least it changes the way the independant company makes money, and thus, how they relate to RDP.

There is no way to claim Rreal Deal Poker was completely 100% non-rigged, but this is the closest one could ever get. Unfortunately, it has been out of business for a long time and it is unsure whether it'll ever be back in business or not.


What are your thoughts on this?
Source: http://en.rigged-poker.info/content/online-poker-rigged-or-not-part-3
 
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Real Deal was a solution looking for a problem that does not exist. The RNG (Random Number Generator) for each regulated poker site is perhaps the most regulated part of the entire regulatory compliance rules. RNGs are far more random than a deck of cards shuffled by a human being or a Shufflemaster, they cannot be tampered with without the regulator discovering changes occurred to the code base. The article attempted to associate the Absolute Cheating Scandal with improper randomness of card distribution however the integrity of the RNG at Absolute was never questioned.

Players need to be diligent of cheating, collusion, and insider fraud... but random number generation is not a real concern. Rigged card distribution has never been a known problem in a regulated environment, the problems occur when players know the hole cards - which has nothing to do with the RNG.

I hope our insight helps explain this topic. We were very familiar with Real Deal, it was not a viable solution because the problem they were promoting did not actually exist other than in the minds of a small number of players who think the distribution of cards is rigged.
 
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Real Deal was a solution looking for a problem that does not exist. The RNG (Random Number Generator) for each regulated poker site is perhaps the most regulated part of the entire regulatory compliance rules. RNGs are far more random than a deck of cards shuffled by a human being or a Shufflemaster, they cannot be tampered with without the regulator discovering changes occurred to the code base. The article attempted to associate the Absolute Cheating Scandal with improper randomness of card distribution however the integrity of the RNG at Absolute was never questioned.

Players need to be diligent of cheating, collusion, and insider fraud... but random number generation is not a real concern. Rigged card distribution has never been a known problem in a regulated environment, the problems occur when players know the hole cards - which has nothing to do with the RNG.

I hope our insight helps explain this topic. We were very familiar with Real Deal, it was not a viable solution because the problem they were promoting did not actually exist other than in the minds of a small number of players who think the distribution of cards is rigged.

Interesting..........how long did this real deal system last? Did it ever get any measure of success?
 
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Interesting..........how long did this real deal system last? Did it ever get any measure of success?

It still exists to the best of this writer's knowledge, but it never gained any traction. This concept was borrowed from the casino industry, some casino players will only play if they see a live dealer, these players incorrectly assumed they would get a more fair deal if a live dealer was used. What they neglected to notice however was that the odds were even higher in favor of the house than they normally are due to the increased cost of labor.
 
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I stole this from the Rigged Mega Thread

 
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It still exists to the best of this writer's knowledge, but it never gained any traction. This concept was borrowed from the casino industry, some casino players will only play if they see a live dealer, these players incorrectly assumed they would get a more fair deal if a live dealer was used. What they neglected to notice however was that the odds were even higher in favor of the house than they normally are due to the increased cost of labor.

The house really does not have the odds in a poker game, since the rake is always the same. Dealers can't cheat and not be seen by the eye in the sky!
Poker Dealers make more in tips than they get in pay, it's the same way for Waiter/waitress
Feb 17, 2014
When you first start out, you may very well make minimum wage; in other casinos, the starting salary might begin at $7 or $8 an hour, rising to $10 or more as you gain experience. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average base pay for a casino dealer is a paltry $14,700 a year.
But you and I both know that this isn’t where the real money comes from in casino dealing. The tips are where the real cash is made (at least in the United States – in some countries, dealers don’t receive tips, but are compensated with a higher base salary), and that brings up the total amount a dealer might make significantly. Figures on how much a dealer could make on average when including tips (and any benefits the casino provides for its workers) vary tremendously, but many peg it at somewhere between $30,000 and $60,000 a year. Some dealers may make even more than that, with some pulling in as much as $100,000 or more according to some sources (though new dealers should know that this is not typical).
http://www.casino.org/blog/being-a-casino-dealer-dream-job-or-nightmare/

P.S always tip your dealer!
 
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The house really does not have the odds in a poker game, since the rake is always the same. Dealers can't cheat and not be seen by the eye in the sky!
Poker Dealers make more in tips than they get in pay, it's the same way for Waiter/waitress
Feb 17, 2014
http://www.casino.org/blog/being-a-casino-dealer-dream-job-or-nightmare/

P.S always tip your dealer!

I'm afraid you misread the intent. We were explaining how Real Deal was inspired. This product was created to appease the fears of some players who thought the online deck was rigged - when in reality a random number generator is more random than a human being and a shufflemaster machine. The text you quoted was explaining how casino players were getting worse odds with live dealers than when they used an automated dealer - in turn this writer would assume that real deal players would have to pay a much higher rake to pay for the labor.
 
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