I have bought Jivaro HUD year-long plan

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Unfortunately this doesn't give graphs so haters can keep hating.

Fortunately, it's very good and gives street-specific stats to help me make the right decisions. I just lost a sit-ngo by all-ining with QdAs on a 2d3d5d flop.

It was absolutely the correct move but it seemed a LAG player slowplayed the flop with Kd4d what a shame.

Until then I'd dominated the entire tournament.
 
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I am considering giving Jivaro a try, currently using poker tracker and it's very efficient, I tried the trial of Jivaro and I really liked it as well, will consider getting it, only thing is I'm not playing as much poker as I would like due to my Monday to Friday job so I'll have to consider if it is a profitable investment, poker tracker is lifetime where as Jivaro is monthly/yearly subscription. Considering I'm probably now gonna be playing weekends and league games once per week not sure if it make sense
 
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way to go!!!
So you've finally come to the realisation that a hud can be very useful.
Graphs can tell you a lot as well. It's not for just showingoff. You can find a lot of leaks as well as your strengths as well as the progress you are making.

If & when you move up to the higher stakes, graphs are one of the most important things a cash player could have. Cause they tell it all.
 
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way to go!!!
So you've finally come to the realisation that a hud can be very useful.
Graphs can tell you a lot as well. It's not for just showingoff. You can find a lot of leaks as well as your strengths as well as the progress you are making.

If & when you move up to the higher stakes, graphs are one of the most important things a cash player could have. Cause they tell it all.
My graph is easy to manually do from cashier amount.
 
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I am considering giving Jivaro a try, currently using poker tracker and it's very efficient, I tried the trial of Jivaro and I really liked it as well, will consider getting it, only thing is I'm not playing as much poker as I would like due to my Monday to Friday job so I'll have to consider if it is a profitable investment, poker tracker is lifetime where as Jivaro is monthly/yearly subscription. Considering I'm probably now gonna be playing weekends and league games once per week not sure if it make sense
When PT updates to new version you have to pay for new version, it's deceptive.
 
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When PT updates to new version you have to pay for new version, it's deceptive.

Yes and No.

I've had PT4 for the last five years. I bought it once, and haven't paid a penny since then. PT4 has updates every month or two, usually to fix bugs or react to changes that poker sites make.

Jivaro is an annual subscription. The up-front cost may be cheaper, but you'll have to pay every year.

It's true that PT3 users had to pay for PT4, I remember some PT3 users being unhappy about that. I didn't have PT3, but from what I understand, PT4 was a major rewrite of the whole program. I'm not sure whether PT3 users got a discount on PT4.

I'm not trying to promote PT4 over Jivaro. I don't know Jivaro, it might be fantastic. Just sharing my experience.

GL on the tables Madman.
 
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Yes and No.

I've had PT4 for the last five years. I bought it once, and haven't paid a penny since then. PT4 has updates every month or two, usually to fix bugs or react to changes that poker sites make.

Jivaro is an annual subscription. The up-front cost may be cheaper, but you'll have to pay every year.

It's true that PT3 users had to pay for PT4, I remember some PT3 users being unhappy about that. I didn't have PT3, but from what I understand, PT4 was a major rewrite of the whole program. I'm not sure whether PT3 users got a discount on PT4.

I'm not trying to promote PT4 over Jivaro. I don't know Jivaro, it might be fantastic. Just sharing my experience.

GL on the tables Madman.
Jivaro is PS-only but extremely dynamic. It shows specific 3bet and calling stats for streets.
 
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I think that Jivaro can also be used on ACR and the rest clients of that network!
 
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I think that Jivaro can also be used on ACR and the rest clients of that network!
It's got a beta HUD for ACR under way but I like to use things only after they have finished beta testing. I really would hate a glitch of a wrong stat showing or stats resetting all of a sudden.

Also I wouldn't want the same account name on PS or ACR to confuse stats with one another so I wait until beta testing is over.
 
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When PT3 went to PT4, we did need to pay. But, those who had a paid for version of PT3 got a significant discount on the same version of PT4. So, I had the micro hold'em version back then, and I got a big discount on the micro hold'em version of PT4.

If I recall, it was something like 70% off. And, that is the only cost for the last 5 years (aside from the cost of adding Omaha when I did that and any cost associated with upgrading to all stakes).
 
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We have to admit it Jivaro has better graphics HUD ... if you play a solid poker you don;t need deeply detailed software like poker tracker 4.
 
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I'm testing the trial version and I find it very good for beginners on HUD, as maybe the PT4 or HM2 overwhelm with the amount of stats they have. As a critic, I would like to be detailed the amount of outs that my hand has to improve on the following streets so that I can compare with the pots. While it is something that can be easily removed mentally, holdem indicator for example if you have it and saves time. Otherwise, nothing to criticize. Very intuitive
 
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I'm testing the trial version and I find it very good for beginners on HUD, as maybe the PT4 or HM2 overwhelm with the amount of stats they have. As a critic, I would like to be detailed the amount of outs that my hand has to improve on the following streets so that I can compare with the pots. While it is something that can be easily removed mentally, holdem indicator for example if you have it and saves time. Otherwise, nothing to criticize. Very intuitive
Does hold'em indicator show number of outs on pokerstars? I thought that feature was disabled because PS doesn't allow software that performs calculations for you. It only allows software that shows directly observable information.
 
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Does hold'em indicator show number of outs on pokerstars? I thought that feature was disabled because PS doesn't allow software that performs calculations for you. It only allows software that shows directly observable information.

Good question, a few months ago I had consulted with the sales department of the HI if the software worked with pokerstars and confirmed that yes, I finally did not buy it. I do not know if in those months something has changed in pokerstars politics. It would be a question to find out. If I am not mistaken, pot odds are also obtained through a calculation. Simple, but calculation at last
 
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Holdem Indicator does work with PS, but some of its functionality is crippled and disabled while the client is running. This is to remain in compliance with the rules that PS has about what software can and can not do. I don't know if the pot odds and improvement odds are part of the disabled functionality.

If that is the case, then other programs won't be adding that ability to their PS software, as it would make PS offlimits to them.
 
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Ps the fairest and truest game to the human player. They make it fair for fish and I respect it. :)
 
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I'm testing the trial version and I find it very good for beginners on HUD, as maybe the PT4 or HM2 overwhelm with the amount of stats they have. As a critic, I would like to be detailed the amount of outs that my hand has to improve on the following streets so that I can compare with the pots. While it is something that can be easily removed mentally, holdem indicator for example if you have it and saves time. Otherwise, nothing to criticize. Very intuitive
It's really really good imo, could not ask for more in helping me understand the HUD. All other hud's gave me headache to even begin to understand in rapid multitable session.

The hand sharing is video format too... I love it...
 
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Seems promising, but I already bought Hold Em Manager 2 a few months back.
 
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Seems promising, but I already bought Hold Em Manager 2 a few months back.
Well this only works with PS and has beta version for ACR [paying for premium includes both sites] (but unlike HM it works for Omaha as well)

It is extremely user friendly because it splits up the stats (you can see all street stats for the position the villain is in at all time if you navigate through the streets)

Basically, let's say preflop:

Why do you need to see how often UTG steals blinds or, conversely, how often BTN cold calls preflop?

It shows the CC for the positions that 'call or genuinely rise' and shows Steal stats for the 2 positions before SB (I don't really know off by heart the position before BTN maybe it's the cutoff whatever) and then for SB and BB it shows how often they fold to steals as their third stat. For all players it shows the 3-bet rate and the rate they fold to 3-bet as well as if you wave mouse over players at all times it will show the classic VPIP/PFR/AFq

I love it so much. It even shows the flags of players if you click a button... Just if you were curious.

It's truly an amazing software, no installation at all required after you download and sign-in, it's built WITH the actual pokerstars staff being involved in its latest update etc... PS fully endorses it as a good HUD option and this is why I paid for it, I know that PS may one day inhibit PT, drivehud, or hm2 due to its urge for fair gameplay but I am certain that they'd never ever limit Jivaro as they told the team what stats to put and helped them make it fit perfect with the client.

Just watch this to understand more:

 
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I know that PS may one day inhibit PT, drivehud, or hm2 due to its urge for fair gameplay but I am certain that they'd never ever limit Jivaro

I don't think that's true. This is an excerpt from PS "Third Party Tools and Services FAQ":
In addition to evaluating new tools and services that come to our attention, we frequently re-examine those already on the permitted and prohibited lists to ensure they continue to fall within our terms of service. In addition, the terms of service themselves and the definition of a prohibited tool or service are periodically re-examined and are subject to change without notice. These re-examinations can result in a tool or service being reclassified without notice, moving from the permitted list to the prohibited list or vice-versa.

So for all we know PS can forbid all the tools at once and it'll be perfectly legal.
 
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I don't think that's true. This is an excerpt from PS "Third Party Tools and Services FAQ":


So for all we know PS can forbid all the tools at once and it'll be perfectly legal.
They helped design jivaro and the English speaking tutorial video Has a speaker from PokerStars staff itself.
 
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They helped design jivaro and the English speaking tutorial video Has a speaker from PokerStars staff itself.

Good for Jivaro but that just ensures that Jivaro complies with current PS policy on 3-party tools. But that doesn't provide any additional guarantees to Jivaro customers for the case when, for example, PS decides to ban and restrict 3-party tools for any reason.

Banning 3-party tools is an ultimate step in promoting fair play in poker which PS is unwilling to make because it'll likely affect much of its player base. But if not banning but further restricting with regard to such tools is definitely an option because some poker rooms (like, as i know, party poker, unibet and ignition) already forbade hud and thus has got a competitive advantage over PS and other hud-allowing rooms. That's just a question how much PS is going to lose/gain if they decide to go tough on hud.
 
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Good for Jivaro but that just ensures that Jivaro complies with current PS policy on 3-party tools. But that doesn't provide any additional guarantees to Jivaro customers for the case when, for example, PS decides to ban and restrict 3-party tools for any reason.

Banning 3-party tools is an ultimate step in promoting fair play in poker which PS is unwilling to make because it'll likely affect much of its player base. But if not banning but further restricting with regard to such tools is definitely an option because some poker rooms (like, as i know, Party Poker, Unibet and Ignition) already forbade hud and thus has got a competitive advantage over PS and other hud-allowing rooms. That's just a question how much PS is going to lose/gain if they decide to go tough on hud.
No. It's unfairly advantageous to people with naturally photographic memory or super high IQ to not allow any HUD at all. It's about making it limited to information that you could pick up if the turns were as long as live poker pretty much.

They want to keep the game human rather than let AI run rampant on it. Go visit 888 at the high stakes and even thought PP fights them, they are not nearly as efficient you will see at the higher stakes.

At high stakes of PS you will find barely any bot-like players and even better barely any colluders. PS may ban 'super information' softwares but it is itself a genius of data harvesting and application and will spot patterns of bots and colluders within 2 days of the cheating. It can even put you in prison if you don't pay back what you took from the players you cheated against and it achieves this by lockin ghte account and using your deposit. It may not publicly state this but I have no doubt they give small reward money to the people who report the bot players or cheaters for their good information.

They know how to run a business and I love them for it. You can say what you want about PS but it is not dishonest, it is the most transparent beautifully run corporation in the poker world BY MILES. you dont understand how big a gap there is between PS and other rooms in all respects until you really sit and read their wikipedia page or any biography of them. They literally were bottom of the food chain when they began. They ran all companies other than 888 into the dust (PP came much later on), they were such geniuses that they were the only poker room to use periods of DEBT such as the financial crisis etc to their ADVANTAGE. They made huge promotions about bigger bonuses and were willing to earn less profit to attract more customers despite it. They used a recession to be the only poker company to not run at a loss in the financial crisis. You don't understand about them, they are mechanically (as a corporation) and morally (as human beings in the poker community) unparalleled by any of their rivals.

You cannot even compare them to any other site in anything other than software quality and when it comes to that they MURK, if they were human beings they'd be that black belt guru who everyone pissed themselves to go up against.

You notice something; all the rude or infamous poker players are sponsored either by PP or some other company but all the polite and adorable ones are endorsed by PS. Despite being so idealistic in their choices of endorsement, they are brutally efficient with their pro picks and make sure they even compete with each other regularly to keep them on their toes.

You can diss them all you want but I tell you Jivaro is the most user friendly and fair HUD out there and pokerstars had a hand in its development because they were sick of the other HUDs being either too hard to use or so detailed it was unfair.
 
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