I don't trust in HUDs I prefer my own brain

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I tried to download the holdem manager but it didn't work out,spended too much time but nothing untill now;They say that HUD has to be payed but I think I prefer my own brain to calculate the statistics.
 
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how many tables do you play at the same time?

if 1 table, fine

anything more than that, good luck
 
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HUDs are ok but it does pay to use your own brain power even if you are using huds. I use huds as they assist but i dont entirely rely on them
 
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I don't think HUDs are necessity if you are only playing a couple tables at a time and taking notes.

I play with a HUD and they are beneficial to me. It's not so much about not using your brain it is about having information easily available to you.
 
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Well I think that HUD is for professionals,beginers like me and you probably don't need to use it.
 
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I tried to download the holdem manager but it didn't work out,spended too much time but nothing untill now;They say that HUD has to be payed but I think I prefer my own brain to calculate the statistics.



There are definitely trade-offs to be sure. In 30 days, I think it is impossible to even learn how to "use" a HUD. The biggest problem is trying to absorb too much information and not even understanding what the numbers mean.


The biggest advantage to using database software is not the actual Head-up-display, but the ability to go back after your session is over and decide if you are playing as well as possible??


I have been using a HUD for 2 years, and I am just beginning to feel comfortable trusting some of the data that shows up on opponents. You can use the data from only 50 hands against a certain player. BUT, I can use the data that I know about how "I" am playing in situations.


Well, I do not even know if that makes sense. Ex- I know last year exactly how many times I C-Bet on a "paired" flop. I can figure out if my decision was profitable or was I making the wrong decision?? It does not make much of a difference what Villain was doing in that scenario??


Well, it is Ok not to use a database too. All depends on how you look at the game.
 
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Well many people think that huds are too complicated and if you start directly with holem manager for example it can really take some time to understand what is going on and to set it up properly. I recommend using more simple hud in the beginning showing the basic parameters like vpip, pfr and afq. Jivaro is relatively cheap and basic option but if you want completely free you can try easy poker hud also.

For me hud helps mostly if you have played around 30 to 50 hands again certain opponent and you have hand against him where you should take tough decision to call or not. Knowing if the player is tight or loose, aggressive or passive may really help you to get the maximum from such situation.
 
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Like jsnake716 said for me the main advantage is going back and reviewing my own play and watching my stats. I think you need 1000s of hands on a player to make any kind of accurate decision based on the hud stats. you still need to user your brain but the more information your brain has the better decision it can make.
 
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Hud is not necessary if you play 2 tables, but sure its a lot helpfull software and yeah even with hud you have to use your brain a lot
 
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That's great if you have a strong, long-range photographic memory. not all of us are blessed with that though, so some of us need to rely on a good poker HUD software to get through.
 
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Hud helps you if you play 6 or 7 tables to track everything but I prefer play less tables and use my brain
 
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I rely on my mind, but I only have to play at one table!
 
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To many players are blindly focused on HUDs and forget, that they are just a small build in component of a tracker. There is a reason, why the programs are called "Poker Tracker 4" and Holm´em Manager 2". They are not called "Poker Hud 4 and Hold´em Hud 2".

As the names suggest, these programs are first and foremost about tracking and improving your game away from the tables. Sure the HUD is also usefull, but even without the HUD serious online players would still be using a tracker.

If you are only playing for fun and have no larger ambitions in poker, sure whatever, play without a tracker. But you need to understand, that you are giving the up the most important tool, which allow you to analyse and improve your game over time.
 
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I also believe that the use of such programs is a waste of time. It is best to always count on your own strength and potential.
 
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HUDs are a supplement, not a substitute. You still need to observe and think. Sure, you have rec players whose game hasn't changed in 20 years. You also need to be aware if something's changed. On one site, I had a regular whose game was pretty solid, but once or twice a week his game just fell apart. It was like playing a whole 'nother player, and I think that was what was happening: he was letting someone else play his account. That tainted his HUD stats (maybe why he did this?) If relying too much on a HUD, you'd miss that, and miss the opportunity to take advantage of the weaker play.

The other problem is that its stats aren't of much value until you have a significant sample of hands, but by the time you do, that earlier data is getting stale. How he played in the past may not reflect how he plays now.

There's no substitute for observing and paying attention to what's going on around you.
 
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HUDs are a supplement, not a substitute. You still need to observe and think.

Its like, the instruments in your car are also not a substitute for your senses. If you can hear, smell or feel, something is seriously wrong, you should not continue driving, just because no warning lights have come on, and the oil pressure is normal.
 
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You also need to be aware if something's changed.

This has always been the pitfall of exploitative poker with or without HUDs. Knowing, what your opponent has done in the past, does not mean, you know for sure, what he is doing now. Before the whole modern GTO craze poker players talked about "changing gears" during a session to confuse their opponents.

Even so I do think, you can get some usefull reads from a HUD. If I get 3-bet by someone, and my HUD say, I have played 3.000 hands against him, he have been involved 12% of the time, raised before the flop 10% of the time and only 3-bet 1% of the time, then it is very unlikely, he is 3-betting me light now, and there is no reason, why I should not fold my AQ.
 
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I tried to download the holdem manager but it didn't work out,spended too much time but nothing untill now;They say that HUD has to be payed but I think I prefer my own brain to calculate the statistics.


I really do not think you understand the point of using database software. The actual HUD stats used while playing is a very small part of the reason that databases are so valuable. A HUD is not used in place of your "brain". Those are your words. I play at least 4 tables and some times as many as 8. During the actual play, the HUD keeps track of some tendencies of the other players, because playing multiple tables it is almost impossible to remember how often a villain is C-betting flops, how many times villain check folds the turn, etc.... The HUD does not "do" math calculations??

The most important reason to use a database, in my humble opinion, is for hand reviews. There is no human brain that can remember all the hands played in a 10,000 hand multi-table session. The database allows you to replay hands and evaluate your own play, as well as villains.This is the best tool you can use to strengthen your own poker ability.

Please don't take this as an "attack", you do not need to use a HUD, in fact, it is better for me if you don't. I just don't like when other "newbies" read stuff like this, and no one explains the real reason to learn how to use a database.:D
 
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