odomazetov
Rock Star
Platinum Level
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
As far as this forum is concerned, no there is not. Software piracy will not be discussed here.
odomazetov
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Ok! I just download trial and ill try HM2.
AugustWest
Visionary
Silver Level
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
Yeah, that'll pretty much turn 'em against trackers, lol.
Beanfacekilla
Legend
Silver Level
HUD = Heads Up Display
A program that tracks the stats of opponents. It tracks things like how many hands they play, how often they raise, etc. It is displayed on the poker table in real-time so you can easily know the info about who you are playing against.
You must play with people to gather info on opponents.
That is all.
AugustWest
Visionary
Silver Level
Every time I mention fpdb to someone, you come right behind and diss it. I wish I could put you on ignore....
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
LOL, drama queen much? Every time eh? I remember responding to an extremely rare handful of fpdb posts -- maybe 3 or 4 in like 5 years -- and I don't remember you from anyone. Sorry to hurt your feelings!
At any rate, maybe you're right. When I last looked at it, it was nowhere near usable as a real tracker/HUD. Had I never been exposed to PT or HM, maybe I'd think it was alright. But it paled in comparison. Its site support sucked and it required constant care & feeding to keep working. If it's gotten past that, then great, my apologies.
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HUSNG Ryan
Heads Up SNG Specialist
Silver Level
I feel like it is the wrong thing to be open sourcing.
The current offerings, particularly PokerTracker 4, just give you an incredible amount of value for the price. Even the side features of PT4 basically mirror programs like sng wiz and are included. The amount of free huds, now free notetracker note sets... forum information, custom stats.... it really is an incredible value.
Open sourcing things that aren't so good (and available for a pretty fair price) would be more helpful. Advanced HUDs for certain games, for instance, would fill a market gap.
The current offerings, particularly PokerTracker 4, just give you an incredible amount of value for the price. Even the side features of PT4 basically mirror programs like sng wiz and are included. The amount of free huds, now free notetracker note sets... forum information, custom stats.... it really is an incredible value.
Open sourcing things that aren't so good (and available for a pretty fair price) would be more helpful. Advanced HUDs for certain games, for instance, would fill a market gap.
C
Chemist
Legend
Silver Level
I think open source is good.
eg Open Office is just as good as any other office.
Open source usually runs on multiple platforms, open source has many developers.
open source doesn't have anything hidden, like products that 'phone home' or need re-activating because you added more memory or additional devices.
I think an open source HUD and tracker would be a good thing freely available to every player.
Unfortunately fpdb is really the only current project and it is struggling to get established and still needs a lot of work to become a finished product.
I hope they get there though.
Really the poker clients should include this anyway to be consistent with their reasoning to effectively ban all other software except PT and HM.
eg Open Office is just as good as any other office.
Open source usually runs on multiple platforms, open source has many developers.
open source doesn't have anything hidden, like products that 'phone home' or need re-activating because you added more memory or additional devices.
I think an open source HUD and tracker would be a good thing freely available to every player.
Unfortunately fpdb is really the only current project and it is struggling to get established and still needs a lot of work to become a finished product.
I hope they get there though.
Really the poker clients should include this anyway to be consistent with their reasoning to effectively ban all other software except PT and HM.
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
I love open source. I've been using and contributing time and code to F/OSS projects for 20 years. There's nothing inherently *wrong* with the idea of a F/OSS tracker. It's just the unique nature of this particular beast makes it really hard to build and maintain a successful product that can keep up with the very fast moving online poker industry and the commercial competition. This isn't the case in most F/OSS categories, but it is in this one.
As was said, for the value they bring, PT/HM might as well be free. There is nowhere near that level of functionality and responsiveness to industry change in fpdb. I wish it were different because I love F/OSS and use it every day. But that's the truth.
As was said, for the value they bring, PT/HM might as well be free. There is nowhere near that level of functionality and responsiveness to industry change in fpdb. I wish it were different because I love F/OSS and use it every day. But that's the truth.
zEric7x
Visionary
Silver Level
I have been using the trial of hold em manager and I like it. I think I will get the micro stakes licence after my trial expires.
I had fun playing around with the filters and seeing what cards and situations I did good and bad in.
I had fun playing around with the filters and seeing what cards and situations I did good and bad in.
PDAlex
Enthusiast
Silver Level
To be fair, both Ivey and Hellmuth made their nut at live games. Online poker is something of a different beast.
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
This. Almost every major online player, especially those that were grinding low/mid stakes on their way up, did in fact use one.
Not to mention Ivey is an off-the-charts poker prodigy. Hellmuth, not so much, but he's a dinosaur when it comes poker. He has virtually zero online results and really only played online as part of his endorsement deals. So both of those are really bad examples to use to argue against such technology.
donkysnake
Rock Star
Silver Level
phil ivey won millions online, and im 99 % sure that he didnt use huds or other poker softwares to help him winning
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
If you're going to argue against the use of trackers/HUDs then that's fine, there are valid points to be made. But at least have a valid argument. Yours is silly for a number of reasons:
- Ivey has never been an online grinder. He's made far MORE money in offline games than online. By the time he played online poker, he was playing high stakes. High stakes is a very small community of low volume (by grinder standards) players who are already familiar with each other. A HUD is largely useless to them. Newbies are relatively infrequent and these guys are good enough to adjust to new players.
- Ivey is an outlier. A phenom. A prodigy. He could probably beat 95% of today's players (live or online) when he was 15 years old. You can't compare such a player to the general population when forming any observation. They are statistically irrelevant in a group observation.
- To suggest it's not okay to use a tool or technology at your disposal is equally silly. It's possible for a master craftsman to build a house from the ground up using nothing but hand tools. Is that what all the builders should be doing? And if they don't then they're not worthy of being called a builder? We can get from point A to point B on feet, horseback, and bicycles -- do we really need automobiles? After all, that's just a transportation crutch, right? My great-grandfather got along just fine without running water and electricity, so why the hell does everyone expect it today? Your argument makes about as much sense as any of those.
I could go on, but it's tiring after awhile to keep having this same debate with new waves of people who just learned of the existence of poker software and have no clue of how it works and what the true advantages are, yet have a high and mighty opinion of the damage it does to the game, or it's a crutch, or HUD players can't possibly win without one, etc.
Most good players use a HUD, including the vast majority of the top online players who earn 6 and 7 figures playing poker. I can absolutely 1000% guarantee that you can take their HUD away and they will still wipe the floor with any you who think a HUD is a crutch.