HUDs against the rules? and a couple other questions

Jayson745

Jayson745

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 13, 2005
Total posts
74
Chips
0
Most of you probably think this a very noob question. But after all these years I'm finally thinking about trying a HUD. But only if its not against the rules. Researching still has me confused, because I've seen it refered to as against the rules, but it was worded in a way that seemed like it might have been only a specific HUD that was against the rules, but that doesn't make much sense unless I'm missing something. I'm not sure. Anyway, I play americas card room in case that makes the difference.
I also saw someone mention buying hand histories to input into it so you dont have to play a billion hands to get it helping you. But where would you buy those? And when you buy them, wouldn't it have to be site specific. It wouldn't do much good to get a bunch of hand histories from some other site you dont play that has completely different players on it.
Lastly, is there 2 different softwares you need, one for seeing other peoples habits, and another to track your own play and look for weak spots? or will one program do both?
Thanx in advance for any help.
 
Samango

Samango

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Dec 2, 2008
Total posts
1,014
Awards
1
Chips
0
The two best trackers with HUDs are HoldemManager and PokerTracker
These programs are not illegal

Holdem Manager does not support ACR at this time and I don't think PokerTracker does either (As I understand it this is due to the way that they record their hand histories which makes it too difficult)

They will track your own hands for analysis and also track your opponents hands as you play them so over time you will build a picture of their style of play

Buying databases of players for these programs is not allowed as you are gaining an artificial advantage (you didn't play in those hands)

Other programs are available that are not allowed on Pokersites. These typically are ones that advise how to proceed in a hand. e.g. direct advice in the HUD on whether you should fold or raise during a hand
 
S93

S93

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 27, 2008
Total posts
6,154
Chips
0
The only Huds that are illegal are the ones that use shared/mined data bases.
Dont really know which ones these are today. Remember something called PokerEdge(I think,correct me if im wrong) being against the TOA at a some sites.
But yeah PokerTracker and Holdem Manager are pretty much universally acepted, but make sure before buying one that it supports the site you are playing on.
 
dmorris68

dmorris68

Legend
Loyaler
Joined
May 27, 2008
Total posts
6,788
Awards
2
Chips
0
PT4 "sort of" works on WPN (ACR, BCP). It will import hands but doesn't support preferred seating and it gets confused when multi-tabling since it can't easily identify different tables of the same stakes, so the HUD won't appear on some tables or will move to the wrong table.
 
Jayson745

Jayson745

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 13, 2005
Total posts
74
Chips
0
ok. thanx for clearing that all up for me :)
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
69
I also saw someone mention buying hand histories to input into it so you dont have to play a billion hands to get it helping you. But where would you buy those? And when you buy them, wouldn't it have to be site specific.

Datamined hand histories are not supported in PokerTracker 4 unless the poker room specifically allows datamining in their terms of service (none do at this stage of online poker history but in this past this ws accepted on some sites). PokerTracker continues to allow the importing of observed hands if the poker room provides observed hand histories to the end user, this is the loophole that unauthorised datamining providers exploit. If you want to remain compliant with site terms of service, we do not advise datamining.

PS: Our support team no longer answers datamining questions as a matter of policy unless the poker room the user is playing on allows datamining.

Holdem Manager does not support ACR at this time and I don't think PokerTracker does either (As I understand it this is due to the way that they record their hand histories which makes it too difficult)

PokerTracker has always supported ACR. We started with the Yatahay Network which later became the Winning Poker Network since the day after it was announced, of course ACR is on the Winning Poker Network. The hand history format is obfuscated, but it took us only one day to add support... it was very easy to do, not difficult at all.

PT4 "sort of" works on WPN (ACR, BCP). It will import hands but doesn't support preferred seating and it gets confused when multi-tabling since it can't easily identify different tables of the same stakes, so the HUD won't appear on some tables or will move to the wrong table.

Actually PokerTracker 4 works with the information provided by Winning Poker Network. The problem is not with PokerTracker, it is the lack of data provided by Winning - it is the only poker site that is missing unique table identifiers needed to place the HUD on their tournament tables. The network is aware of this and allegedly they are working on providing the additional information needed so we can support HUDs at multiple tournaments that share the same name, and multiple MTTs after players change tables.

Additionally it should be noted that no tracking software that we are aware of supports "Sit Me Here" functionality, we all only support "Preferred Seating" - this is necessary to support multitabling.
 
Poker Rules - Poker Games
Top