How much does a HUD affect your opinion?

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Been playing online for 5 years, past two nonstop. Never bothered to buy a HUD cause i always thought it was a better idea to deposit the 100 and grind it out. (always seemed to lose it,sooner or later).

What i was wondering is, if i decide to get one, will my game change drastically? Will i suddenly be a winning player if i learn how to use it and what everything means?

Just how much does the Hud stats affect your opinion at a table? Do you base your decisions solely on stats? Because if so then i will be playing a totally different game than what i am currently playing without it. Am i right?

And one more thing. Can a HUD be misleading if rely solely on it ? Meaning cant it get you into trouble if your not too sure how to use it?

thnks for any input.;)
 
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using HUD depends on how you read the data on HUD...
HUD do affect my decisions, yeah, meaning that HUD is part of the reason I make my decision....so if there's a HUD why not use it, since it provides some information u will unseen on the table.

very hard to say how many percentage make decisions rely on HUD ,but at least, before making decisions, I will have an eye on HUD...LOL
 
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I don't need a HUD if I'm playing one table, but a HUD gives me more accurate data than I could ever keep track of without it.

It also allows me to play 6 tables and play each of them as well as I'd play 1 table without a HUD.
 
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Buying a hud wont make you a winning player. Just like buying a poker book,watching instructional videos or reading strategy articles wont make you a winning player.
It is how ever like the other tools mentioned a great tool that can help u identify weaknesses in your game and help you improve, if you use it correctly and keep working on your game.
 
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Been playing online for 5 years, past two nonstop. Never bothered to buy a HUD cause i always thought it was a better idea to deposit the 100 and grind it out. (always seemed to lose it,sooner or later).

What i was wondering is, if i decide to get one, will my game change drastically? Will i suddenly be a winning player if i learn how to use it and what everything means?

Just how much does the Hud stats affect your opinion at a table? Do you base your decisions solely on stats? Because if so then i will be playing a totally different game than what i am currently playing without it. Am i right?

And one more thing. Can a HUD be misleading if rely solely on it ? Meaning cant it get you into trouble if your not too sure how to use it?

thnks for any input.;)
Yes it can :eek:
Oh and tight players can use their stats, that you have to work for them ;) :D
 
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I think it might helps a lot. You just have to know how to use it to your advantage. I am like you really and I am thinking of using one myself.
 
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It's so so useful, wont instantly make you a winning player or anything like the others said but it's an amazing tool for analyzing your own play and it gives you valuable info on villains that would be impossible to remember or take notes for.
 
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so whats the biggest advantage of using it? is it knowing what type of player your opponent is, or is it that you can go back and analyze your hands?
 
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Both really, wouldn't say one is more advantageous than the other.
 
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I never thought I needed one and I am actually not a losing player over the years. Slightly above break even lol. But once I bought pt4 about 2 months ago and really dug my heels in to learn it, I have gotten much much better. Even if only for VPIP/PFR/AF it helps a ton in knowing whether to open certain hands, call certain raises etc etc. I know I can steal from this guy almost every time with rags because he folds to steal in LP 85% of the time. Also it helps me see how I brutally mess up hands as well that could've been more profitable or hands I could've gotten away from.

Let's me keep track of my open vs limp, how often I cbet, fold to 3bet, cbet turn, wwsd. I mean its just soooo sooo much stuff for sooooo little price. Of course, for me I only went with the micro version.
 
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I never thought I needed one and I am actually not a losing player over the years. Slightly above break even lol. But once I bought pt4 about 2 months ago and really dug my heels in to learn it, I have gotten much much better. Even if only for VPIP/PFR/AF it helps a ton in knowing whether to open certain hands, call certain raises etc etc. I know I can steal from this guy almost every time with rags because he folds to steal in LP 85% of the time. Also it helps me see how I brutally mess up hands as well that could've been more profitable or hands I could've gotten away from.

Let's me keep track of my open vs limp, how often I cbet, fold to 3bet, cbet turn, wwsd. I mean its just soooo sooo much stuff for sooooo little price. Of course, for me I only went with the micro version.
thnks for the post. great stuff. If you dont mind me asking, have you seen your winnings increase since you started using it or not yet?
 
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You convinced yet Vinyl? :) Seriously man you wont regret it.

It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the stats at first, so maybe keep it simple to start, like just use VPIP, PFR and 3bet, then add more as you get used to it.
 
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You convinced yet Vinyl? :) Seriously man you wont regret it.

It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the stats at first, so maybe keep it simple to start, like just use VPIP, PFR and 3bet, then add more as you get used to it.
Oh im convinced man. very convinced. just wanted to hear 1 person,just one say: YES ive been making more money since i got the pokertracker. Something like proof. but if that person shows up or not doesnt matter to me. im getting it for sure. ive been a losing player for the past 6 months and ive decided to get my sh1t together and play properly. get a HUD, follow BRM etc. ive lost too much money man. it aint even funny anymore.

P.S; thnks for input mm
 
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think it should depend on what stats you are looking at and how fast they converge
 
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Like any tool, simply having it won't make you better. Owning a hammer doesn't make you a carpenter or a home builder. And mis-using it can hurt you, with the unfortunately consequence of you blaming the tool instead of yourself for not using it properly.

Poker is ultimately a game of information. The more information available to you, used properly, the better decisions you can make.

If you put the time into mastering it and understanding what it can (and cannot) do for you, it will certainly -- without any doubt whatsoever -- increase your profitability. It will allow you to more easily find leaks in your game. It will allow you to play more tables, making better decisions based on stats you couldn't possibly keep up with from 50+ opponents with no HUD. It will allow you to form a larger, more complete picture of a given opponent, much faster than you possibly could from memory.

Yes, playing to a HUD will almost certainly change your game. But isn't that what you want? If you want to keep playing the same game and making (or losing) the same money, then why introduce a new variable in your game? The key is to learn to use it properly. Learn what stats mean and when they become relevant and meaningful (some stats are useless until you've got a large sample size, which is what people mean by "convergence"). And like anything, depending on it entirely as a crutch can hurt you when it's suddenly not available to you, but that's just another adjustment you have to make in poker. It's all about using it *correctly* and letting it help you where it can.
 
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If you see the same players over and over, you can be fairly certain the odds are they are using a tracker and have numbers on you. In which case a Tracker/HUD will only be a neutralizer if you use it right.

If, on the other hand, you never see the same people twice, then the Tracker will be helpful in self analysis.

Everyone will agree that the more hands you have on any player, the better. I also agree, however, I often cut down the number of hands showing for players to today's hand count. This gives me a notion of how they are playing today, now, without the garbage of how they played last year. This is usefull in tourneys, where I may know some or even many of the players, but will not know many at all, so I get a feel for how each is playing this particular tourney. It is info I would not have without crazy note taking for each game.

So, if you can agree that if you knew everything about a hand of poker, and in the extreme that would mean you knew villains cards, then you will have to agree that having more info at your fingertips, can not be a bad thing.
 
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Like any tool, simply having it won't make you better. Owning a hammer doesn't make you a carpenter or a home builder. And mis-using it can hurt you, with the unfortunately consequence of you blaming the tool instead of yourself for not using it properly.

Poker is ultimately a game of information. The more information available to you, used properly, the better decisions you can make.

If you put the time into mastering it and understanding what it can (and cannot) do for you, it will certainly -- without any doubt whatsoever -- increase your profitability. It will allow you to more easily find leaks in your game. It will allow you to play more tables, making better decisions based on stats you couldn't possibly keep up with from 50+ opponents with no HUD. It will allow you to form a larger, more complete picture of a given opponent, much faster than you possibly could from memory.

Yes, playing to a HUD will almost certainly change your game. But isn't that what you want? If you want to keep playing the same game and making (or losing) the same money, then why introduce a new variable in your game? The key is to learn to use it properly. Learn what stats mean and when they become relevant and meaningful (some stats are useless until you've got a large sample size, which is what people mean by "convergence"). And like anything, depending on it entirely as a crutch can hurt you when it's suddenly not available to you, but that's just another adjustment you have to make in poker. It's all about using it *correctly* and letting it help you where it can.
thank you very much for this post. it was really a great read. with great tips and very nice points.
 
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I should have gotten one years ago. Im going to get one before ever entering another online table and im going to spend 2 weeks googling,reading and learning how to use it. when i downloaded a trial a few months back,it was hard to understand and i noticed i was spending more time trying to understand what the numbers were and what they meant rather than focusing on the actual hand itself. That was kinda wierd. wasnt sure if i liked it or not.

But im sure that it can be easily learned ,such as anything else you put your head to. And guys, thanks everyone for information. Its really gold to be able to get this kind of information from people who have experience with it.
 
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If you see the same players over and over, you can be fairly certain the odds are they are using a tracker and have numbers on you. In which case a Tracker/HUD will only be a neutralizer if you use it right.

If, on the other hand, you never see the same people twice, then the Tracker will be helpful in self analysis.

Everyone will agree that the more hands you have on any player, the better. I also agree, however, I often cut down the number of hands showing for players to today's hand count. This gives me a notion of how they are playing today, now, without the garbage of how they played last year. This is usefull in tourneys, where I may know some or even many of the players, but will not know many at all, so I get a feel for how each is playing this particular tourney. It is info I would not have without crazy note taking for each game.

So, if you can agree that if you knew everything about a hand of poker, and in the extreme that would mean you knew villains cards, then you will have to agree that having more info at your fingertips, can not be a bad thing.
thnks for the tips man.:)
 
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kind of answers my previous thread, (that no one seemed to answer or give me any tips :( ) but thanks for the tips as well as i will be buying pt4
 
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thnks for the post. great stuff. If you dont mind me asking, have you seen your winnings increase since you started using it or not yet?

This time around on the poker train I have been losing money since getting better into Ring from MTT play. Once I got PT4 I am not a little above break even and increasing every day. Finally getting used to it to the point where im using it positionally and on later streets as well. I only started out using it as micro said a few posts ago, only VPIP, PFR, AF, 3bet, and Cbet/Fold to Cbet.

Now I have 3 lines to my hud and constantly expand to see more stats and it helps a ton once you get a decent amount of hands on villain.

I also love the auto Note Tracker. Instead of having to write every time they limp J4o and call a raise, it will auto note it. Along with auto noting things like "Donked top pair or less on flop" "Bets turn draws heavily" Etc etc.

Really amazing stuff this thing can do! Just dont check your actual graph a lot. I was checking it what seemed like every half hour while multitabling and it was discouraging. Now I check it once a week and its much much better and not so stressful.
 
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This time around on the poker train I have been losing money since getting better into Ring from MTT play. Once I got PT4 I am not a little above break even and increasing every day. Finally getting used to it to the point where im using it positionally and on later streets as well. I only started out using it as micro said a few posts ago, only VPIP, PFR, AF, 3bet, and Cbet/Fold to Cbet.

Now I have 3 lines to my hud and constantly expand to see more stats and it helps a ton once you get a decent amount of hands on villain.

I also love the auto Note Tracker. Instead of having to write every time they limp J4o and call a raise, it will auto note it. Along with auto noting things like "Donked top pair or less on flop" "Bets turn draws heavily" Etc etc.

Really amazing stuff this thing can do! Just dont check your actual graph a lot. I was checking it what seemed like every half hour while multitabling and it was discouraging. Now I check it once a week and its much much better and not so stressful.

that's awesome stuff man. didnt really know the note tracker did that as ive only researched in a little. got me convinced as i want to get into cash games more.
 
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This time around on the poker train I have been losing money since getting better into Ring from MTT play. Once I got PT4 I am not a little above break even and increasing every day. Finally getting used to it to the point where im using it positionally and on later streets as well. I only started out using it as micro said a few posts ago, only VPIP, PFR, AF, 3bet, and Cbet/Fold to Cbet.

Now I have 3 lines to my hud and constantly expand to see more stats and it helps a ton once you get a decent amount of hands on villain.

I also love the auto Note Tracker. Instead of having to write every time they limp J4o and call a raise, it will auto note it. Along with auto noting things like "Donked top pair or less on flop" "Bets turn draws heavily" Etc etc.

Really amazing stuff this thing can do! Just dont check your actual graph a lot. I was checking it what seemed like every half hour while multitabling and it was discouraging. Now I check it once a week and its much much better and not so stressful.
NICE! i see where your coming from man. good to hear your getting used to it quickly.

Yea im losing lately too. im down aroun 6 k since september and i am on a break now. trying to get my stuff together. make a plan. get a tracker and start frsh with BRM and the works. im tired of playing good poker with no brm and no real plan. thnks again for info.

Im probably gonna start a thread when im ready to start my winning journey, heheh. peace out man. and thanks to everyone else who posted here. always good to hear people opinions on huds esp since i dont have one and wanna know what i need to know. if anyone has any more input,feel free to share.
 
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so whats the biggest advantage of using it? is it knowing what type of player your opponent is, or is it that you can go back and analyze your hands?
the biggest advantages are you will have a reliable history...so which means, you will have something at least 80% true to take into consider as a reference!:D
 
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Keep in mind that most of your hands will still play themselves. There will be a few hands per hundred played where the info you gain from your tracker/HUD will affect the outcome, but maybe not as many hands per hundred played as you envision it will.
 
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