Holdem Indicator: working Bovada HUD

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Yea, you read that right. I've heard of it but never came across it...til now:D

There is no free trial sadly. The software is free to download, but a license is required to use for real money tables. You can test out the software on play money tables before purchasing.

You have the option of purchasing a license instantly for 79 euros ($100 roughly) or you can open a new acct from a list of poker sites and deposit 50$.

So without further adieu, here it is:

http://www.holdemindicator.com
 
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I dunno about that, if it did work on bovada it would only be for the session or tournament you are in, because the next time you play, someone else would be attached to that number, right?
 
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Yeah seems worthless for everything except tracking yourself.
 
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Correct. This would only be valuable to cash players who play loooong sessions.

And on a site that offers so little info as far as personal stats, I feel software like this is definitely beneficial. Tracking your own stats is pretty crucial imo.
 
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I feel software like this is definitely beneficial. Tracking your own stats is pretty crucial imo.

Gawd I now feel like those rigtards who accuse me of working for a site when I say online poker is not rigged, but do you work for them?
 
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be useful for tournaments if you are playing lots of different sites i guess
 
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I tried it out on the Cash tables It seemed to help get a better feel for what players were doing even for such a short sample size. Obviously when a player left and another joined it would reset the stats for that certain player/# . However on the negative side it tightend up my game considerally since the probabilities and percentages were right there as a result I played less hands and won less have yet to try it on tourneys.
 
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I tried it out on the Cash tables It seemed to help get a better feel for what players were doing even for such a short sample size. Obviously when a player left and another joined it would reset the stats for that certain player/# . However on the negative side it tightend up my game considerally since the probabilities and percentages were right there as a result I played less hands and won less have yet to try it on tourneys.

Yea I made this thread when I found the program. Got it for free. It's a little hard to make conclusions with lolsample sizes. I find myself ignoring it quite often if not always. Great to be able to post hand histories finally. And I'm able to view myself over large sample size. I wouldn't recommend spending the $100 to anyone tho.
 
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thats great info, i just downloaded the trial version and am actually thinking of just trying out the leak buster, im sure it is probably pretty much the same with a different focus
 
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so what does this company have that PT4 cant add to make it work with their software. It just seems weird that this site can make their Huds to what others wont but if bovada gets me the check then i might chck it out
 
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so what does this company have that PT4 cant add to make it work with their software. It just seems weird that this site can make their Huds to what others wont but if bovada gets me the check then i might chck it out

Hey im a lil confused??? im not sure what your trying to say with your comment.
 
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What secret does this company have that PT4 doesnt have since PT4 cant include this stuff in their software too. and so far it seems only Bovada is sending out money timely that it might be worth investing in since that might become my choice site

USA PRICE EVERYONE $104.66 hmm that changes things - hey OV since your tearing up those 3k bovada MTTS left and right, how bout some christmans presents

aint gonna lie it looks pretty good where i get overwhelmed with everything PT4 gives me
 
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thats great info, i just downloaded the trial version and am actually thinking of just trying out the leak buster, im sure it is probably pretty much the same with a different focus

I'd get leak buster (no doubt, run and do it now lol), but it won't work with bovada unless you can find a way to write hand histories.
 
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What secret does this company have that PT4 doesnt have since PT4 cant include this stuff in their software too. and so far it seems only Bovada is sending out money timely that it might be worth investing in since that might become my choice site

USA PRICE EVERYONE $104.66 hmm that changes things - hey OV since your tearing up those 3k bovada MTTS left and right, how bout some christmans presents

aint gonna lie it looks pretty good where i get overwhelmed with everything PT4 gives me

There is no secret. Both PT and HM refuse to violate a sites term and conditions, so they don't try to write their software to work with Bovada/bodog.
 
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The Indicator series has been around for years. Hold'em Indicator was my very first poker software back in 2006 or 2007 when I started online. Poker Indicator and Tournament Indicator are variations of the same tool. Carbon's recently introduced HUD is a free version of Hold'em Indicator locked down to work only on Carbon's family of sites.

The Indicator series has always had a reputation for working on tracker-hostile sites like Bodog/Bovada and the old Cake back when they were anti-tracker.

so what does this company have that PT4 cant add to make it work with their software. It just seems weird that this site can make their Huds to what others wont but if bovada gets me the check then i might chck it out

2 main reasons that I know of: one is technical, the other philosophical or business related.

Technically speaking, the Inidicator tools work primarily through OCR of the chat window. This is why they require that all chat details be enabled. It's also why they can be spotty and unreliable, but it's not terribly noticeable since they don't maintain a long-term results database like a proper tracker does, where errors would accumulate to the point of being noticeable.

Aside from the technology they use, Indicator takes a different philosophy towards the sites than PT and HM have. PT/HM have more or less tried to establish good relationships with the sites and work within their demands and T&C. When Cake asked HM not to track other players by name, HM complied. Not because they legally had to, but to maintain a relationship in the industry. When Bodog asked HM to cease working on their own hand grabber, which they had nearly completed, they complied for the same reasons. Even when the only other Bodog HH grabber left the market, and demand surged for HM to release theirs in response, they declined. So when a site demanded that those tools not be used, they generally complied. In contrast, the Indicator approach has never seemed to be one to comply with anyone -- they'll track anyone regardless of their position or terms.

I used to use Hold'em Indicator on Cake and Bodog years ago when the main trackers didn't work or stopped working, just to have some session stats if not historical stats. But when Cake reversed their tracker position, and Bodog became Bovada and I dropped that silly excuse for a poker site, I've not had a need for it so never reinstalled it. They really do suck compared to a proper tracker/HUD like PT/HM.

BTW (aside from Carbon's free version) these tools cost just as much as PT & HM, so I certainly hope nobody is paying full price for them. I got mine free with a Cake signup way back when I first started (probably my first poker room signup), and then once I learned the affiliate game and what rakeback meant, I regretted it. Getting a one-time gift instead of a rakeback deal is a huge mistake, unless you never intend to play there after you've cleared the gift.
 
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There is no secret. Both PT and HM refuse to violate a sites term and conditions, so they don't try to write their software to work with Bovada/Bodog.

I used to use Hold'em Indicator on Cake and Bodog years ago when the main trackers didn't work or stopped working, just to have some session stats if not historical stats. But when Cake reversed their tracker position, and Bodog became Bovada and I dropped that silly excuse for a poker site, I've not had a need for it so never reinstalled it. They really do suck compared to a proper tracker/HUD like PT/HM.

This, I definitely agree with.

Only thing I don't understand is if they are blatantly disregarding Bodog/Bovada's terms and conditions, how could they offer this(pic below) as a means of obtaining a HI license? Perhaps I just don't understand how these things are handled.
 

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Because as an affiliate they bring in depositing customers. Most affiliates have rake requirements before you get the gift/bonus/whatever they offering. In HI's case, in order to qualify for a full license that you can use anywhere else, you have to rake so many hands. I got my HI license years ago from a Cake affiliate signup, when Cake vehemently opposed HUDs and made every attempt to thwart them by obfuscating player names in the HH's and allowing users to change their names weekly, so same thing.

They're either not aware of what all of their affiliates are offering (they have hundreds or thousands of affiliates), or (most likely) when it comes to bringing in paying customers they're willing to ignore it. I've seen affiliate poker offers on sites that sell poker bots, even.
 
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Because as an affiliate they bring in depositing customers. Most affiliates have rake requirements before you get the gift/bonus/whatever they offering. In HI's case, in order to qualify for a full license that you can use anywhere else, you have to rake so many hands. I got my HI license years ago from a Cake affiliate signup, when Cake vehemently opposed HUDs and made every attempt to thwart them by obfuscating player names in the HH's and allowing users to change their names weekly, so same thing.

They're either not aware of what all of their affiliates are offering (they have hundreds or thousands of affiliates), or (most likely) when it comes to bringing in paying customers they're willing to ignore it. I've seen affiliate poker offers on sites that sell poker bots, even.

That is pretty shocking/crazy. Thanks for clearing that up D'mo.
 
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What secret does this company have that PT4 doesnt have since PT4 cant include this stuff in their software too.

Bodog approached us to support their new hand history format for tracking only without a HUD, we declined. Their hand histories include the hole cards for every player at the table, it is our opinion that they only released these hand histories to stop claims of collusion due to the anonymous tables format. Providing the hole cards for everyone at the table changes the rules of the game, it is a bastardization of the traditional IWTSTH rule (I Want To See That Hand). We are not interested in spending hundreds of hours redesigning our entire tracking systems and database to develop a solution just to allow Bodog to change the rules of poker.

Last I checked the Bodog terms of service 8 or so months ago it continued to allow a HUD provided that you are not using a unified database (PTR), you are allowed to use your own hand histories for personal use. The Terms Of Service had not been altered in years, the only change that happened was Bodog's spin on this topic - hence HI may not be breaking the rules after all. We personally think its a mistake to support Bodog's hand history format though, its not good for the game in our opinion, but we respect the decisions of other developers to conduct business as they chose when they understand the ramifications of their actions.

There is no secret. Both PT and HM refuse to violate a sites term and conditions, so they don't try to write their software to work with Bovada/Bodog.

See above.

PT/HM have more or less tried to establish good relationships with the sites and work within their demands and T&C. When Cake asked HM not to track other players by name, HM complied. Not because they legally had to, but to maintain a relationship in the industry. When Bodog asked HM to cease working on their own hand grabber, which they had nearly completed, they complied for the same reasons. Even when the only other Bodog HH grabber left the market, and demand surged for HM to release theirs in response, they declined. So when a site demanded that those tools not be used, they generally complied..

Bodog approached us almost a year before Bodog 4.0 was released, at that time they asked us to stop supporting Bodog once the 4.0 client launches later in the year. We respected Bodog's request because as you pointed out above we work with poker rooms to have good positive relationships. We were also told that PokerTracker could continue to support Bodog and place a HUD on the table until 4.0 was released. Around the same time we read posts from users of HEM saying that they were no longer permitted to place a HUD at Bodog. This has always puzzled us because we were given permission - to this date we don't understand what happened there.

I hope this little insight on the behind the scenes issues with Bodog is insightful!

- TT
 
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As a long time Bovada/Bodog user, HI is definately allowed. A Bodog site rep confirmed it in a post on another site. Although the tool is very limited it is really very helpful when playing multiple tables. Its limitation is if you change tables (even if only for 1 hand) then get sent back to your original table, all stats are gone even if you have a hundred hands against that player in your current table/session.

I respect PTR and HM for their stance on working with the sites, and can agree there is almost no value in them supporting Bodog anonymous software.

As an aside, while some in this thread think that Bodog providing hand histories that include all cards for all hands breaks the spirit of the rules of poker (and I cant honestly argue the point), the hand histories are out there and players who want to improve now have a great opportunity to see how the generally very bad bodog players play.

I am not sure of the rules of the forum here, but I have coded a FREE replayer that replays the hand histories from Bovada/Bodog (currently only for NLHE tournaments - since that is all I really play).

As my website states, the software is in no way meant to compete with the Poker Tracker's and Hold Em Manager's of the world (it is a hobby project of mine that I code when not working my full time job, taking care of my family and playing poker - which is almost no time at all).

If anyone is interested you can check it out at tournamentpokermanager.com

MODS: If links to free software is not allowed, please delete and accept my apologies.
 
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Anyone know if one can get this for free by signing up for a new site?
 
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Does anyone know what site offers holdem indicator for free if you sign up through a poker site? I found a site a while back that gave u few option such as sign up Titan Poker or bovada to get it and u have to pay x amount of rake for it.


Does anyone know the name of the site?
 
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They say that you can do that. If you go to the holdem indicator website. However it is such a pain in the ass if you already have an account with the site you want to play on. I have found the easiest way is just to pay the 99 beans and buy the license.
 
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