Holdem indicator win odds

Hi

I know there are many views about the value of calculators and tracking software in general, but I'd like to ask about the "Win odds" in holdem indicator. The manual simply says its based on a sophisticated algorithm or something to that effect.

Being a programmer i'd like to understand this a little more. Clearly this is proprietary stuff, but can anyone provide some insight? Is this talking about some math? Or simulations etc? (it would appear to fast for simulation imo, unless they have precalculated values stored).

Personally I'm not convinced by about the accuracy of these values. They just dont seem to work out in my experience. But maybe it's just me.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

It isn't really all that sophisticated of an algorithm at all, many poker books have the formula in them:
Odds of hitting from the Flop to the River: 1-[(47-#Outs)/47)x(46-#Outs)]
Odds of hitting from Turn to River: 1-(46-#Outs)

absoluthamm said:

It isn't really all that sophisticated of an algorithm at all, many poker books have the formula in them:
Odds of hitting from the Flop to the River: 1-[(47-#Outs)/47)x(46-#Outs)]
Odds of hitting from Turn to River: 1-(46-#Outs)

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Thanks Absolut.

Here are some quotes from the user manual...

"Holdem Indicator win odds are calculated with a sophisticated mathematical algorithm based on your
pocket cards, the community cards, and the number of players in the hand. Holdem Indicator offers
accurate win poker odds that you can trust. "

"Holdem Indicator displays the probabilities of hitting a particular hand at showdown for you AND your
opponents at showdown. For example, if it shows 20 on flush for you and 30 for your opponents, it
means that you have a 20% probability of getting your flush, while your opponents collectively have a 30%
chance of hitting a flush. "

Thanks for the formula. I have seen that before.

But as per the statements above and the feature of the App, it provides some predictions about my chances of hitting particular hands (no problem here) and chances that my opponents have particular hands. The app then seems to use some calculation or algorithm to tell me how likely I am to win the hand overall. Its these last two parts that I'd like to understand if I can trust.


If the displayed probabilities are accurate, then that's sweet. But otherwise....

Again any feedback, experience people have would be appreciated. Ie, anyone played a few hours simply according to the win odds to pot odds displayed?

Thanks

Yea, that's really just a marketing ploy really, there is no way a program of this sort would really be able to accurately guess what your opponent has, and as far as how it comes up with those numbers, they really don't matter all that much because they are imaginary in that every opponent is going to be different. Who really cares if your opponent is *30% to hit their flush, when really they are a huge donkey and are in with 72o? Ya know what I mean?

And also, you really should be using your overall odds the majority of the time based on what you think your opponent/s might have, not what will necessarily make ANY hand for you. ie. If you are pretty confident that your opponent has the nut straight on a 6h7h8c board and you are holding Ah5h, you don't want to be counting the extra straight outs in your counting because they wouldn't matter except for the heart ones, because they are the only ones that would give you a better hand than your opponent. Does that make sense? I hope so, I'm writing this with only one contact lens in and I'm not going to reread through this, sorry lol.

absoluthamm said:

Yea, that's really just a marketing ploy really, there is no way a program of this sort would really be able to accurately guess what your opponent has, and as far as how it comes up with those numbers, they really don't matter all that much because they are imaginary in that every opponent is going to be different. Who really cares if your opponent is *30% to hit their flush, when really they are a huge donkey and are in with 72o? Ya know what I mean?

And also, you really should be using your overall odds the majority of the time based on what you think your opponent/s might have, not what will necessarily make ANY hand for you. ie. If you are pretty confident that your opponent has the nut straight on a 6h7h8c board and you are holding Ah5h, you don't want to be counting the extra straight outs in your counting because they wouldn't matter except for the heart ones, because they are the only ones that would give you a better hand than your opponent. Does that make sense? I hope so, I'm writing this with only one contact lens in and I'm not going to reread through this, sorry lol.

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Lol

Yeah making sense... perhaps that's why my experience following these directly haven'y been all that successful. Some features are useful though. Those bar graphs can really suck you in when your under pressure in a hand though. You think, hmm look at my win percentage to pot odds. Often a bad move.

Thanks