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Well, I am finally taking the plunge. I am getting the new computer I spoke about a couple of months ago, and will be getting HEM, as it seems to be the generally preferred program. I will do a trial of each, but since so many like HEM better, I am tending toward that. I also will get SnG wizzard. I heard about leakbuster. Any comments? A must have? Any other programs to consider? I do mainly STT and MTT but now that I am increasing volume and have software I will get back into FR as well.And I will get Pokerstove.

One question: Can I import my HH and collect stats on past games and players? I know I will find this out when I get the software, but just wondering in advance.

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If you have the text hand histories (HH) from the poker sites you just point the software to it and import. You may also be able to get poker sites to e-mail you your old HH if you don't have the saved on your computer.

One thing to keep in mind is you may need to manually enter payout stuff for tourneys after you finish one.
 
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If you're playing lower than 10NL or lower than $10 SnG's, then I'd just suggest not buying a HUD.

EDIT - You could also try this one. But I've never used it, so I have no idea how well it works.
 
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If you're playing lower than 10NL or lower than $10 SnG's, then I'd just suggest not buying a HUD.

EDIT - You could also try this one. But I've never used it, so I have no idea how well it works.
For that case still have the choice to buy the low stakes package, it cost $35 less than the complete package and cover .25/.$50 No Limit, .50/$1 Limit and up to $22 buy-in tournaments.
 
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I heard about leakbuster. Any comments? A must have? Any other programs to consider? I do mainly STT and MTT but now that I am increasing volume and have software I will get back into FR as well.And I will get Pokerstove.

One question: Can I import my HH and collect stats on past games and players? I know I will find this out when I get the software, but just wondering in advance.

Thanks.

I'd recommend Leak Buster if you are going to play cash games. I had doubts at first, but through my earnings it has definitely paid for itself. I just wish you could still get it through PT3 because I like to use both.
 
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I wouldn't get LeakBuster until after you have used HEM for a while and worked through using that. And even after that, unless you are determined to put a lot of time in away from the tables, LeakBuster will be worthless to you. It is a very good program, but it takes a lot of time commitment to make it worth getting, and most players won't commit that time required.
 
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I wouldn't get LeakBuster until after you have used HEM for a while and worked through using that. And even after that, unless you are determined to put a lot of time in away from the tables, LeakBuster will be worthless to you. It is a very good program, but it takes a lot of time commitment to make it worth getting, and most players won't commit that time required.

The time commitment isn't really a big issue. You don't have to spend anymore time then if you were to get coaching, read a book, or any other method of improving your game. A lot of Leak Busters content are videos that show you how to improve in areas where you have leaks. It doesn't really take much time to learn something from a good poker video. Never the less, you can spend a lot of time if you want, but you don't need to to get value out of it.
 
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You are completely wrong if I am understanding you correctly. You cannot read through a book, watch a video once, go through holdem manager for 5 minutes, etc. and think you're going to pick up some amazing thing or fix a leak that you've never known before. Even Leatherass says in his book that realistically, you could be on a site like CardRunners or DuecesCracked or whatever for a month and only go through a small handful of videos if you're utilizing them correctly. Because it takes time for things like that to absorb and to see everything that the creator sees.

In the case of leakbuster, it is about going through and researching and finding problems in your game and your opponents games. You are not going to effectively find those things by just watching one of the LB videos and going through HEM once. It is something that you should constantly be putting time into if you really want it to work to your benefit.
 
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For that case still have the choice to buy the low stakes package, it cost $35 less than the complete package and cover .25/.$50 No Limit, .50/$1 Limit and up to $22 buy-in tournaments.
It still won't pay for itself at 10NL. Its like $55, that's 5.5 buy ins. Plus all the HUD tells you is "all the players sitting at your table are fish", which you knew anyways because its 10NL.
 
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Thanks for all the feedback.

C9, thanks for your input, even tho I am ATM only playing 2$ SnG, I am gonna get a HUD (probably HEM) anyway, cause I will be investing a fair amount of money in BR over the next 1/2 year, the most probably being put in January next year. I will, after a bit more study, be adding FR much more to my playing time. I will be speaking abut this, and why I am doing this, later in a separate thread. My play is to then move up in stakes, even if my BR says I can now, and I want to be familiar with my software, and have the strongest game I can have. I want to be dong better at the stakes I play at now, before I move up. (Any thought on this, if my BR says yes but I am still a relative novice experience wise, stay at my stakes till I am crushing them, then move up?) I will be getting SnG wizard as well. If I spend say 80$ on software I dont really need, so be it. I wont wantonly be throwing money around, I am not rich, but have been working towards this goal of having a set amount of money specifically for poker, and I now have it, and even tho I may invest and lose it all, my plan looks different..... So I am going at this with my goals in mind, a set of very disciplined rules, and tho failure is a possibility, I am proceeding as if it is not.

Absolute, thanks for your comments as well, but as I plan to invest any time needed, I will strongly consider leakbuster. I am starting to treat my poker as a science (as well as a Business, to quote someone many of you know), I chart everything, watch my games ATM on popopop replayer, note where I think my leaks are, keep those note handy in games, read them before I play so that I am aware of where I am leaking, but since it is all objective, i.e. what I think are leaks, I would like to have more input as to where leaks that I dont see as leaks are. So I dont have a problem with spending time doing this. But it only works with HEM, is this correct? And I can get it after I am familiar with HEM, dont need it right away? And can I use it on past games, before I got it?

Over the next 5-6 months, I plan stay at low stakes (I never play 1$ SnGs, however, as I am rolled for bigger, and the rake is ridiculous), but want to spend a large portion of my poker time off the tables dissecting my games. This is why I think these tools will be a justifiable investment. I am here, however, to hear the opinions of others, so keep the comment coming. They are much appreciated.

BTW, and tips for multi tabling 2$SnG? (maybe dont do it? I have been ahead of most of the MT players at my tables)
 
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You are completely wrong if I am understanding you correctly. You cannot read through a book, watch a video once, go through holdem manager for 5 minutes, etc. and think you're going to pick up some amazing thing or fix a leak that you've never known before. Even Leatherass says in his book that realistically, you could be on a site like CardRunners or DuecesCracked or whatever for a month and only go through a small handful of videos if you're utilizing them correctly. Because it takes time for things like that to absorb and to see everything that the creator sees.

In the case of leakbuster, it is about going through and researching and finding problems in your game and your opponents games. You are not going to effectively find those things by just watching one of the LB videos and going through HEM once. It is something that you should constantly be putting time into if you really want it to work to your benefit.

Yeah, you must be misunderstanding me. I agree with you that to get the most out of Leak Buster you will need to spend serious time with it. But you don't need to to get value from it. In my personal experience, half of a day of study helped me tremendously. What would your opinion be on a faster method to discover your leaks?
 
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Okay, so to summarize this giant block of text you wrote:

1) You're now playing the worst possible stakes & game for using a HUD.
2) You're willing to spend hundreds of dollars to reach your goal, but you don't take advantage of the free resources you have.
3) You're justifying this giant purchase of poker software that is far beyond your skill level by saying that you will eventually play at that skill level in 6 months to a year.

Sounds good, sign me up.
 
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Okay, so to summarize this giant block of text you wrote:

1) You're now playing the worst possible stakes & game for using a HUD.
2) You're willing to spend hundreds of dollars to reach your goal, but you don't take advantage of the free resources you have.
3) You're justifying this giant purchase of poker software that is far beyond your skill level by saying that you will eventually play at that skill level in 6 months to a year.

Sounds good, sign me up.


Yea, arrogant sarcasm is a learning players best tool..........

uhhhh no I was saying something else, but context is everything. I am actually following the advice of a few respected players here, you obviously see it differently. I have been advised to have a HUD even at lower stakes, you are the first one to advise otherwise. I am already using free resources, but maybe you can expand on that as well, what resources you mean. If I dont know about something that you do, that actually would be an answer that helps. Maybe you can expand on why you think I shouldnt have one at low stakes. I have also been advised to play lower stakes till I get more experience. I am not the most experienced player around, but I dont think that exempts me from having goals. I am thinking ahead, and, yes, I am working on increasing my skill level, and increasing my stakes. I guess not everyone is great from the get go..... Never saw that as a reason to not try to improve...........
 
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It still won't pay for itself at 10NL. Its like $55, that's 5.5 buy ins. Plus all the HUD tells you is "all the players sitting at your table are fish", which you knew anyways because its 10NL.

But he mention that do mainly STT and MTT, and even for $2 S&G will help if start multitabling.

I get my this year and pay itself playing 2/3 tables of $2 27 players S&G.

About multitabling tips, take the most notes you can there, with so many people you could think never will see same players but are a lot of regulars there good and bad, study the stats HUD is not only about VP$IP and PFR, 3bet, F3B, LF,FvsStl, everything could help after you have a good amount of hands.

Good Luck in you journey.

Oh almost forget.

look in absoluthamm signature, he made a great Holdem Manager Stat Guide to start, he explain there values and what should looking for with those (thanks for this absoluthamm).
 
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Fletchdad - I'd go for it particualrly of you're looking at expanding your poker play over time. I play $2 SNG's and I've benefitted enormously from having a HUD. I'm not expecting it to pay back immediately but having HEM will over time and is helping me become a better player and enjoying poker more - isn't that what it's all about C9?

Sorry C9 but I think your last reply was pretty unhelpful and unlike most of your posts in this forum which are generally good and on the money.
 
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