Have My mate proved to me 888 is rigged?

Hi I am a microstakes winning player and never believed that online poker is rigged as I believe in variance and as we play more hands online it tricks our brain into believing the poker site is fixed or rigged against us. But I think why would a site risk that as they earn millions from rake. But a mate who believes it’s rigged asked me last night “so you think the 888 bonus wheel you spin every day is not rigged” of course it is I replied. So he’s convinced that if that wheel is fixed and not random then why can,t the poker itself be fixed! I know it’s not random that wheel but I have won a few 16.50 big fish tickets this year from it! I still don,t believe online poker is fixed but my mate have got a point as we all know that wheel is fixed!

The bonus wheel is part of the reward system. It should reward active, or, perhaps, support many losers, which means it should not be completely random, as it seems. This option also sounds logical.

Basically, a seperate device is shuffling decks 24/7 and put them in a bin... when a deck is needed, one is picked from there... always using a new deck at the beginning... "How does pokerstars shuffle the decks" on YouTube can maybe answer some questions about this..

Now is it rigged? Maybe for bonus and stuff like that.. but a dealer in a live game can rig a game so why not an online game?


However I prefer to believe in variances of online poker, mostly after seeing the EPT Sochi this week.. serisouly, twice in a day, I saw split pot because of a flush on the board, both in diamonds, both had the ace on the river.. I also saw AK vs QQ, at the same moment at 2 different tables on 4 active tables and guess what: both players with queens had the red queens.. AA vs KK vs QQ happened also on day 1...

Now, is EPT Sochi rigged?

-TRP-

Life is funny. Everything in life is based off greed and cheating , corruption. Religion, politics, life all look for angles. Do you think corporations went into business to break even? No do you think if there is a way to get more that they would put up those bad intentions?
Everyone needs proof. Our society deems it necessary. As with everything it will come out some day. Just not today.
Look for continuous situations and decide for yourself. If you can predict it as you can but still can't fold because of +ev situations then all you need to do is retrain yourself. You never wondered why most winning online players can win in live poker but very few live win in online poker. Just saying. Everybody has their views. Doesn't make them right or wrong just different. See you at the tables

So people agree that the bonus reel is rigged and it is obvious. Moving forward the cashback reel is rigged as well. Even further the blast reel is rigged and no one in right mind can state otherwise.
With all of the above combined with the unreal hands were always almost half table has a playable hand there are still some talking about variance, RNG and all that. That's like trying to get drunk with water. Use you common sense and observation, it is obvious that 888 is rigged.

888 wheel rigged ? What else

I have spun the wheels on 888 for years, or what ever the gimmick, always the same prize! If I have tickets " nothing--- If I am low on tickets-- I win a ticket--

But I have never seen any other prize?? about 8 spots on the wheel and out of that only 2 results?

So if they set the wheel to limit results, what else do they set to limit results?

It's not rigged, it's just the chances for ticket or blast ticket is more common then to get something else. We can also say that Blast is rigged all the time prizes for 10c buy in are either 20 or 30c prizes. I know that on GG poker on gold and spin for the 10k multiplier were 1:1000000.

Like when you play an rpg game, u have common, uncommon, rare, very rare, unique and legendary, do you expect here to get every day legendary spin?

I also think blast games are rigged. 3 times in a row I started with 2 pairs on flop . Went all in one turn and river cancel my 2 pairs ! 3 times happened . Also when time is over and all ins happen . I lost with AA and KK vs 24 and 52 . I don't know about the MTT , I don't think that's rigged . But blasts is 98% . Sometimes I think I play against bots....

Artbart805 said:

I have spun the wheels on 888 for years, or what ever the gimmick, always the same prize! If I have tickets " nothing--- If I am low on tickets-- I win a ticket--

But I have never seen any other prize?? about 8 spots on the wheel and out of that only 2 results?

So if they set the wheel to limit results, what else do they set to limit results?

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Honestly they wouldn't have to limit your results.... you are doing that on your own (and very good at it might add)

Hi There

Yes, why should a site rig the game when they amke millions and could lose it
just like that if everybody starts leaving the site
Fully agree on the game possibilities
Rgds

RagNar87 said:

I also think blast games are rigged. 3 times in a row I started with 2 pairs on flop . Went all in one turn and river cancel my 2 pairs ! 3 times happened . Also when time is over and all ins happen . I lost with AA and KK vs 24 and 52 . I don't know about the MTT , I don't think that's rigged . But blasts is 98% . Sometimes I think I play against bots....

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The BLAST games are terrible! This is not poker! These games don't even resemble 'SPIN' games on other sites. No... they take almost every single bit of skill advantage you might have over another player & eliminate that by forcing ALLINs at the 2min. mark.

Honestly, what self-respecting person 'in their right mind' would EVER play that format? The only type of player/customer I could see would consider playing that format is someone who knows very little about the game of poker, very little about ev & how it relates to the rake in those games (guess what... nobody but 888 is a winner in that format in the 'longrun').

And then to hear someone complain about the runout in that particular format tells me someone knows very little about variance.

The wheels in those game a like are not functioning with the odds that is written on the wheel itself. Math for that works on way different level but there is a gaming commission in the states so if they have players from the US then they had to report their games and you can find in detail how everything works. Go do some research.

Well if anything that doesn't have equal odds to hit which is mentioned in Terms&Conditions qualifies as rigged for you, then sure, it is rigged.

https://www.888poker.com/terms/wheel-of-rewards-tnc/ #11

I started to believe on-line poker was rigged when my pocket Aces got busted with hands like 8/10 off and Q/10 off or other ridiculous hands that would not normally call an all-in raise pre-flop in a live game.
But then I started watching videos on Run it up poker on Twitch and sure enough it does sometimes happen. I myself called an all-in bet from the small blind when I was on the big with 9/10 off thinking this guy is just stealing the blinds and sure enough he had a pocket pair of 9s I paired my 10 on the turn and bust him.
So now I have a wider range of calling hands, at the end of the day it all boils down to chip stacks and how much damage they can do to you.

Steve1821 said:

Hi I am a microstakes winning player and never believed that online poker is rigged as I believe in variance and as we play more hands online it tricks our brain into believing the poker site is fixed or rigged against us. But I think why would a site risk that as they earn millions from rake. But a mate who believes it’s rigged asked me last night “so you think the 888 bonus wheel you spin every day is not rigged” of course it is I replied. So he’s convinced that if that wheel is fixed and not random then why can,t the poker itself be fixed! I know it’s not random that wheel but I have won a few 16.50 big fish tickets this year from it! I still don,t believe online poker is fixed but my mate have got a point as we all know that wheel is fixed!

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Hey mate,
You spoke about "prove" in the title, but I don't see any in the post ! What is your mate's point ?
Accusing someone without a convincing evidence is not really appropriate.

iwont20 said:

Well if anything that doesn't have equal odds to hit which is mentioned in Terms&Conditions qualifies as rigged for you, then sure, it is rigged.

https://www.888poker.com/terms/wheel-of-rewards-tnc/ #11

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You are completely right man. He himself talks about randomness but absurdly he doesn't think it would apply to the wheel ! lol.

There is one thing I don't understand guys. If you are poker players, why bother with wheels, reels or spins ????
We all know how they work. They are not rigged, it's just the way they are. The odds are insane ! like slut machines. Eventually, some people will hit some nice prizes (even a Jackpot), but that would only happen after the machine had swallowed enough funds to keep a profit for the house.
Play poker if that is your game and stay away from pure gambling, otherwise stop complaining and accusing with not a shred of evidence !

Not American

pendulabgd said:

The wheels in those game a like are not functioning with the odds that is written on the wheel itself. Math for that works on way different level but there is a gaming commission in the states so if they have players from the US then they had to report their games and you can find in detail how everything works. Go do some research.

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The gaming commission in the US, has nothing to do with the foreign cash poker sites. Only if gambling by wire,from the US, by a US citizens , the Rico act, which shut down online poker in the US

Wheel just pops up every logon, it free

najisami said:

There is one thing I don't understand guys. If you are poker players, why bother with wheels, reels or spins ????
We all know how they work. They are not rigged, it's just the way they are. The odds are insane ! like slut machines. Eventually, some people will hit some nice prizes (even a Jackpot), but that would only happen after the machine had swallowed enough funds to keep a profit for the house.
Play poker if that is your game and stay away from pure gambling, otherwise stop complaining and accusing with not a shred of evidence !

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The site just pops up the gimmick, I don’t ply the spin games

Of course a spin wheel is not random. It usually has some very high prices, and the chance of winning those is very small. It is also entirely possible, that the wheel is tailored to the individual players, so that good customers (losing depositing players) get more rewards. This is entirely legitimate, since rewards are not something, a poker site has any obligation to give out. In fact in my country (sweden) they are not even allowed to do it, because according to our government this might "promote gambling". This spin wheel has nothing to do with the RNG, so these two subjects should not be confused.

It´s like others before me said there´s a percentage chance on every price on that wheel but prices like tournament tickets for 16.50 or 33.00 $ have something like 0.001% chance of winning them i guess.......so in most cases you will win freeroll tickets blast tickets or nothing since those have the highest chance to be won