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just wondering whether it's essential for success online,
I notice in big tournaments alot of players push in on me when im first in with a raise latter part of the tournament
its pretty frustrating seems to be more commen as of lately,
so I've had to adjust my game accordingly
im putting this down to maybe like a raise fold percentage stat
either that or it could just be a coincedence
 
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This seems like standard late-stage tournament play, to me. Are you sure they are treating you differently? Could be you're just getting unlucky in those spots and running into people with big hands behind you.

As for trackers, I would encourage you to get one. They are really beneficial. I even use mine for tracking my own stats on Bovada (where there is no HUD and no stats on other players).
 
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This seems like standard late-stage tournament play, to me. Are you sure they are treating you differently? Could be you're just getting unlucky in those spots and running into people with big hands behind you.

As for trackers, I would encourage you to get one. They are really beneficial. I even use mine for tracking my own stats on Bovada (where there is no HUD and no stats on other players).


You may be right im just being overly concerned,
Ive tried using poker tracker 4 but I dont think its up fully working,

is the correct way to search to type in a players name and just look at their game ?
having trouble bringing up stats
 
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If you are using pt4 , you should have an 'overlay' or HUD over each individual player with real time stats . There should be no need whatsoever to type in anyone's name
 
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If you are using pt4 , you should have an 'overlay' or HUD over each individual player with real time stats . There should be no need whatsoever to type in anyone's name

This is incorrect, the most valuable part of PokerTracker is using our software AFTER the game is done, to review your own play or the play of your opponents - that is why we allow you to run reports on any player. From any personal View Stats report, click the PLAYER drop down, then select Chose New Player. This allows you to chose the active player in PokerTracker 4, the Active Player can be someone other than the HERO.
 
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I dont use it but I just play for fun in the lower stakes so don't really think I need it. I honestly don't like all these softwares but they help you become a better player. Finding leaks in your game is just as important or more important than looking at other people's stats. You might get info on how other people play but you can't control what they will do next.
 
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myself and kidkvno1 are two of the regs here that dont use one, ckingriches too I think, but most seem too use one,
cant believe I havent got it really lol
 
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just wondering whether it's essential for success online,
I notice in big tournaments alot of players push in on me when im first in with a raise latter part of the tournament
its pretty frustrating seems to be more commen as of lately,
so I've had to adjust my game accordingly
im putting this down to maybe like a raise fold percentage stat
either that or it could just be a coincedence

Late stages where most players are under 20bbs are a completely different animal. It's shove/fold time, previous stats from the tourney don't mean much at that point.
 
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I know one guy who went on a rant on twoplustwo abotu how huds are killing the games, and he vowed to never ever use it. lol
 
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If you do not use a HUD, you are just at a disadvantage. I don't know why you'd want to consider playing seriously giving yourself a handicap when the games are tougher than ever.
 
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If you do not use a HUD, you are just at a disadvantage. I don't know why you'd want to consider playing seriously giving yourself a handicap when the games are tougher than ever.

As the creators of the first commercially viable HUD (Poker Ace HUD) and of course PokerTracker - it may shock you to learn that we do not agree with this. The HUD was designed to replicate a live playing experience, in a live game all human being have a built in poker tracker in us, we remember our opponents and how they play. In an online game all we have to remember our opponents is a screen name, human beings are not "programed" to remember screen names, the more opponents you come across the harder it is to remember who your opponents are. You could replicate the HUD in your brain by taking a tremendous amount of notes and playing in a very small field of opponents, for example not all nosebleed players use a HUD - they don't need it because they know their opponents and play the same people frequently. But for the rest of us, that is just too hard to do - hence we automated this by creating stats and placing them on the table so you can use this information to create what we can an "opponent profile". Each stat tells you very little by itself, for example you don't really know what cards your opponent are playing when they have a 19% VPIP (see below for an explanation); but this information combined with the data from other stats can help you piece together the puzzle of who your opponent player is, and how they may be playing.

A 19% VPIP means the opponent is playing 19% of all hands, however this does not mean that opponent is playing the top 19% of all hands as shown in PokerStove. PokerStove uses a ranking system called Hand Vs Two Randoms, this is a hand value weighting system to attempt to mimic how a real player may value their hands, it was created at a time when the primary game played was limit holdem. In PokerTracker 4 we allow our users to create their own hand weighting systems, to help mimic real world player styles - for example a player may balance the top 2% of their value range by adding the bottom 2% of their air range to remain unpredictable, or they might 3Bet with hands like A3s to provide balance in their range - this cannot be represented by a single stat percentage, this can only be determined through observation and understanding of how to create that opponent profile in your own head while playing - the HUD helps you do this, but the truth is if you took a tremendous amount of notes and only played at one table, you may find that your results are the same or very similar - proving that the HUD is an incredible tool, but you are not at a disadvantage if you chose to not use one provided that you are playing at a single table, your a great player and you take great notes. With that said, anyone who is multitabling would probably be better off using a HUD.
 
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This is incorrect, the most valuable part of PokerTracker is using our software AFTER the game is done, to review your own play or the play of your opponents - that is why we allow you to run reports on any player. From any personal View Stats report, click the PLAYER drop down, then select Chose New Player. This allows you to chose the active player in PokerTracker 4, the Active Player can be someone other than the HERO.

This feature alone sold me on PT4. I may break down and cash out soon on a site and go purchase PT4. I think the biggest advantage is reviewing your own play because that is the only thing you can manipulate/control. The only time I am reviewing someone else's play is looking to see if I played differently last hand, looking at their tendency(s) to see if they might have decided to make a different call. Poker Tracker 4 is definitely the best HUD out! Any suggestions if the 30 day trial is not working? I am looking to use the Omaha version also.
 
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I don't use one either. They are a form of cheating. Taking notes is one thing, but having a HUD while you are playing is lame. You don't see pros at a table sitting with cheat sheets do you?
 
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I don't use one either. They are a form of cheating. Taking notes is one thing, but having a HUD while you are playing is lame.

PokerTracker is legally permitted by every site we work with, and we are a marketing partner for all of the new new networks we add. It may surprise you to learn that the networks pay for our development costs, they know that their users want to use our software, and in turn it helps players play at more than one table, which increases rake yield for the sites. The sites determine what is and is not cheating, we have historically worked with 24 different networks with their permission. Your allowed to take notes in a Brick & Mortar game in Las Vegas, using tools like PokerTracker is basically the same thing... except we automate the process so you can play at more than one table at the same time. The data we provide is just enough to get by, in reality though players are always encouraged to take additional notes because a computer does not see things as a human does.

The best thing about tracking software is that you have a choice, you are not forced to use it, it is totally optional. Think of PokerTracker as you would think of a trading desk. Some traders use instinct, some use google or yahoo to do research, others use a trading desk to perform technical analysis. The trading desk does not give thaat trader an advantage, it is just a tool to help the trader make a decision, the decision is still made by the trader himself/herself. PokerTracker is the same thing... its just a tool, the decision is still made by the player, and it does not make the player a better player - its only a tool that helps the player make a qualified decision quicker, not necessarily beter.... in the end the player's own skill is what matters, not the tool.

You don't see pros at a table sitting with cheat sheets do you?

Perhaps you don't know any pro's personally? We do.. they use our software and some use our competitor's software. We know a few nosebleed players who don't use a HUD, but they still use our software for personal results tracking and post-game analysis of their own play.

- TT
 
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I don't use any pokertracker softwere, but is it that much of essential to improve our game? Where I can get it from? Is it easy to use since I'm technologically cripple. Thanks in advance xx
 
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I unfortunately don't have a HUD at the moment, just getting back into poker after moving out of the US and my HEM1 doesn't seem to like me anymore. I think I still have PT1 as well licensed though guessing that wouldn't work either. I found it enormously helpful even playing 1 table (as I'll get bored and watch TV while playing or otherwise be inattentive, and for players I've played in other games.) I'm currently trying to decide if I want to shell out money for a tracker at this point, and which one, as I'm only playing very small stakes tourneys and freerolls which are almost useless to analyze my play as I play much differently in those than proper games.
 
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I don't use any pokertracker softwere, but is it that much of essential to improve our game?

For the vast majority of players, the answer is yes. It allows you to review your sessions after you are done playing to find leaks in your game - essentially coaching yourself. At a very minimum it helps you to track your winnings. And then of course there is the HUD, which helps you to remember who your opponents are while playing. But we are very honest, not all players need our software - that is a personal decision.... but chances are if you need to ask this question, then the answer probably is yes - you can improve your game by using a tracker.

Where I can get it from? Is it easy to use since I'm technologically cripple. Thanks in advance xx

The two biggest tracking tools are PokerTracker (us) and HoldemManager, both tools use a third party enterprise clase database called PostgreSQL to store the data, but we automate the installation of Postgres for you (in some rare cases this requires some hands-on work to install, but thats rare). We include 3.5 hours of tutorial videos built into our application so you can get up and running fast. We designed PokerTracker 4 to be as user friendly as we possibly could, but it does require some basic technical know how - if you know how to rightclick, then you can probably figure everything out with the use of the videos and our support guides found here - https://www.pokertracker.com/guides/PT4

Be sure you meet our minimum computer requirements before you get started, we have a 30 day free trial so you can test without purchasing - https://www.pokertracker.com/faq/PT4#Minimum_Requirements
 
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I think I still have PT1 as well licensed though guessing that wouldn't work either.


We doubt you have PokerTracker 1, that was 12 years ago - and it was never for sale. You may have PokerTracker 2, maybe it is PokerTracker 3. Both licences still work, however we no longer recommend using these versions for live play since we stopped updating them to remain compliant with the changes made by online poker rooms.
 
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I unfortunately don't have a HUD at the moment, just getting back into poker after moving out of the US and my HEM1 doesn't seem to like me anymore. ....

We still provide tech support for HM1 so feel free to email us or post on our forums if you need help. That being said, the updates for HM1 are few and far between now and will completely stop at some point in the not too distant future so you may want to consider taking advantage of the upgrade discount for HM2 if you are considering a new tracker if you find it useful after taking advantage of the free 30 day trial.

Regards,

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I guess I'm one of the few that don't use any HUD or tracking software. I have used the trial version of PT3 but have never tried Holdem Manager yet (at least I don't think I have lol).

But I am looking for a reason as to why I should...

Cash games I would definitely want one, I just don't play ring.

It's MTTs I would like to know a reason why I should use one.

Reason why I didn't like using the trial version...

I loaded about six months of HHs I had played, after it was all finished loading and sorting, I went to start playing. I loaded up a small buy-in to get the HUD setup and on I went.

I got into a tourney and this one players name jump up with a lot of hands against him. It showed him as being very tight and a bit passive, I started to use this new knowledge and all of a sudden he was playing way different. He wound up busting me out of the tourney and I just shrugged it off. A few days later, I'm at the same table with him again (I put a note on him) and he's now playing the way his stats first looked to me. I again started to play him the way I first thought to play him and won a lot of chips off him this time. I couldn't figure this out until I started to check the stats after my session. It jumped right out at me... It was at different blind levels that we had met and I had no way of knowing this during the game as my stats were showing all hands from all blind levels with this player.

Is there a way during the tourney to have the HUD show just that blind level and in the drop down, have all hands shown there? If this is possible, I would be willing to give it another shot.

Thanks for your time, Road
 
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I am currently using the trial version of PT4 and it really seems like something that I will continue to use when the trial period ends. I really like the charts and graphs and all the info you get on yourself and other players but it may take me a while to figure it all out. It should really help out in my cash game play
 
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It seems it would be difficult to figure out your overall VPIP/PFR/AF etc. without one. It's nice to know and they are fun to play around with too.
 
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I guess I'm one of the few that don't use any HUD or tracking software. I have used the trial version of PT3 but have never tried Holdem Manager yet (at least I don't think I have lol).

But I am looking for a reason as to why I should...

Cash games I would definitely want one, I just don't play ring.

It's MTTs I would like to know a reason why I should use one.

Reason why I didn't like using the trial version...

I loaded about six months of HHs I had played, after it was all finished loading and sorting, I went to start playing. I loaded up a small buy-in to get the HUD setup and on I went.

I got into a tourney and this one players name jump up with a lot of hands against him. It showed him as being very tight and a bit passive, I started to use this new knowledge and all of a sudden he was playing way different. He wound up busting me out of the tourney and I just shrugged it off. A few days later, I'm at the same table with him again (I put a note on him) and he's now playing the way his stats first looked to me. I again started to play him the way I first thought to play him and won a lot of chips off him this time. I couldn't figure this out until I started to check the stats after my session. It jumped right out at me... It was at different blind levels that we had met and I had no way of knowing this during the game as my stats were showing all hands from all blind levels with this player.

Is there a way during the tourney to have the HUD show just that blind level and in the drop down, have all hands shown there? If this is possible, I would be willing to give it another shot.

Thanks for your time, Road

You can't filter by blind level in HM2 (or PT4 AFAIK) but it has been requested. You can filter the HUD by stack size and number of players at the table which probably would have helped greatly since when he was being more aggressive than you expected he likely had far fewer big blinds due to the increased blind level.

Regards,

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For my level of play I do not consider investing in more expensive HUD/datamining/tracker software to be worthwhile. I also do not play on any sites that will allow the other users to use these tools against me. I want to play my game the best way that I know how every time and occasionally I'll experiment with something else at a lower limit to see how it works.

Recently, I started using Pokeit.co and am finding it to be quite useful analyzing my own play. It is cloud-based and inexpensive (free analysis up to 10,000 hands) then monthly subscription costs only. I think you can store up to 1 million hands for something like 5 bucks a month. I would endorse it but keep in mind it is definitely limited. In terms of collecting personal stats/graphics on your own game it is great as well as for tracking your earnings and losses.

The last things I have noticed that are good about this site/program whatever it is and are worth mentioning here are
1) a ton of valuable information fields you can use to study a report of your own (Hero) play, from every position to every street and
2) a nice re-player that breaks down your sessions into every hand / every decision and win/loss of x amt of chips.
3) You can select any player at the table from the re-player during any hand and see their VPIP/PFR/AF...

I think this is a cool tool for spot-checking your instincts and best/worst judgements. It works for cash games too but I really only use this for tournaments.
 
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I guess I'm one of the few that don't use any HUD or tracking software. I have used the trial version of PT3 but have never tried Holdem Manager yet (at least I don't think I have lol).

But I am looking for a reason as to why I should...

Cash games I would definitely want one, I just don't play ring.

It's MTTs I would like to know a reason why I should use one.

Reason why I didn't like using the trial version...

I loaded about six months of HHs I had played, after it was all finished loading and sorting, I went to start playing. I loaded up a small buy-in to get the HUD setup and on I went.

I got into a tourney and this one players name jump up with a lot of hands against him. It showed him as being very tight and a bit passive, I started to use this new knowledge and all of a sudden he was playing way different. He wound up busting me out of the tourney and I just shrugged it off. A few days later, I'm at the same table with him again (I put a note on him) and he's now playing the way his stats first looked to me. I again started to play him the way I first thought to play him and won a lot of chips off him this time. I couldn't figure this out until I started to check the stats after my session. It jumped right out at me... It was at different blind levels that we had met and I had no way of knowing this during the game as my stats were showing all hands from all blind levels with this player.

Is there a way during the tourney to have the HUD show just that blind level and in the drop down, have all hands shown there? If this is possible, I would be willing to give it another shot.

Thanks for your time, Road


PokerTracker 3 has the ability to filter by tournament blind levels, but as the representative from HM2 pointed out - this is not available in PokerTracker 4, our latest and recommended version of our software. Why would we remove this feature? Because it is more important to be able to filter to the stack size, than it is to filter to the blind level. For example an opponent could have a 10 big blind effective stack size at 100/200, that opponent should play very differently than his he had a 50 big blind effective stack size at the same level. In PokerTracker 4 the ability to filter by blind level has been replaced by the ability to filter by stack size ranges - this is the prefered method.

Here is an example screenshot of PokerTracker 3's HUD options that allow you to filter to the blind level. Notice that this is not enabled, as a player I would not recommend it unless you play in shallow SNGs only where the player field has similar tendencies. It should be noted that PokerTracker 3 is no longer available for sale, we have abandoned this application - but since you mentioned you tried PT3, I thought it would be right to explain that you had this option during your testing period, but we have a much better solution now in PokerTracker 4.

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