WPT event 540 buy-in

D

Dukesbeach

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Nov 30, 2011
Total posts
9
Chips
0
Lvl 7 blinds 400/800 and 100 ante - your stack 10K (not including 800 you just posted in this hand)
First to bet is young pro in the cutoff who has played a little loose but pretty solid overall goes all-in for a stack that just covers you. Folded to you in the BB and you squeeze AK offsuit. Standard call?
 
TheCol

TheCol

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 30, 2011
Total posts
68
Chips
0
I would say thats a pretty standard call, but your in the big blind with 10k in chips. You could wait for a better hand since the next hand you will be in the small blind and then out of the blinds. I think any poker book would tell you to call the bet. But I prefer to put my chips in with a made hand if possible. I would recommend getting some kind of pocket pair 10's or better to push.
Its really a judgement call there. It could go both ways.
 
absoluthamm

absoluthamm

<==Poker Face
Silver Level
Joined
May 5, 2008
Total posts
5,692
Awards
1
Chips
0
You didn't really explain the hand very well and there are a lot of errors that make me feel like this whole story is made up. First, you say that the young PRO in the CO goes all in(and he has you barely covered), but you squeezed with AKo? How do you squeeze when you would be all-in? Seems like a level to me.


If this is a true question, then I ask, what does "loose but pretty solid overall" mean to you? Is he just calling a ton of hands? Is he raising everything? Is he spreading out his calling/raising frequency? A total fish can be labeled as this when he's getting lucky postflop, so it means nothing really. My answer is completely dependent on what your exact definition of how the player is. By the 7th level in a live game you should absolutely have some read on the player style that would show a little bit of where you're at. One thing is that I absolutely hate AKo all-in preflop as it many times is at best 50% and when you have a decent sized stack, flipping for it isn't a good time.
 
Poker Orifice

Poker Orifice

Fully Tilted
Platinum Level
Joined
Jan 19, 2008
Total posts
25,598
Awards
6
CA
Chips
968
I would say thats a pretty standard call, < This 100%!!!.. but your in the big blind with 10k in chips. You could wait for a better hand < better than the situation he's just described.... really? when? since the next hand you will be in the small blind and then out of the blinds. I think any poker book would tell you to call the bet. But I prefer to put my chips in with a made hand if possible. I would recommend getting some kind of pocket pair 10's or better to push.
Its really a judgement call there. It could go both ways.
First line you wrote was great... the rest is real bad imo.
You didn't really explain the hand very well < I thought he explained it pretty well (I just don't understand why they're even asking the question????) and there are a lot of errors that make me feel like this whole story is made up. First, you say that the young PRO in the CO goes all in(and he has you barely covered), but you squeezed with AKo? (< live game.. he squeezed his cards & saw "AKo" ) How do you squeeze when you would be all-in? Seems like a level to me.


If this is a true question, then I ask, what does "loose but pretty solid overall" mean to you? Is he just calling a ton of hands?< do 'young pros' 'call a ton of hands in tournament play'? My assumption of OP's read on villain was > seems solid/aggressive... picking spots & taking advantage of players who'd actually ever even hesitate calling in a spot like this with AK. Is he raising everything? < not sure how he could be 'raising everything' if he's only got a shove stack? Is he spreading out his calling/raising frequency? A total fish can be labeled as this when he's getting lucky postflop, so it means nothing really. My answer is completely dependent on what your exact definition of how the player is < really? Maybe read over the post again... just sayin'.(not meaning to come off sounding like a dick but this is like as ABC as it gets... aka 'no brainer' decision). By the 7th level in a live game you should absolutely have some read on the player style that would show a little bit of where you're at. One thing is that I absolutely hate AKo all-in preflop as it many times is at best 50% and when you have a decent sized stack, flipping for it isn't a good time.
With a 13bb stack in BB you wouldn't be happy flipping with a CO shove? &.. do you really think he's 50% at best with AK in a spot like this?

OP, if CO is actually a 'young pro' & his read on you is 'older tight player' (& even if it isn't his read on you), CO should be shoving pretty wide here. w/o knowing more details, I'd suggest they're shoving top20%.
If they're shoving Top18% (22+, A5s+,KTs+,QTs,JTs+,ATo+) you'd have ~60% vs. that range with AKo in this spot.

To consider folding in a spot like this would be HORRENDOUS!!!
 
D

Dukesbeach

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Nov 30, 2011
Total posts
9
Chips
0
You didn't really explain the hand very well and there are a lot of errors that make me feel like this whole story is made up. First, you say that the young PRO in the CO goes all in(and he has you barely covered), but you squeezed with AKo? How do you squeeze when you would be all-in? Seems like a level to me.
I just meant look at my cards, sorry to post a confusing term - its like my 3rd post. I goggle the kid when i got home because he was bragging about a big win he just had so I know he's a pro with lots of nice cashs + he was talking to everyone at all the nearby tables.
If this is a true question, then I ask, what does "loose but pretty solid overall" mean to you? Is he just calling a ton of hands? Is he raising everything? Is he spreading out his calling/raising frequency?
I've played the entire tournament with him - he was a late entry (came at the end of the first level) and he has raised a lot of hands.
AKo all-in preflop as it many times is at best 50% and when you have a decent sized stack, flipping for it isn't a good time.
agreeded
 
D

Dukesbeach

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Nov 30, 2011
Total posts
9
Chips
0
You didn't really explain the hand very well and there are a lot of errors that make me feel like this whole story is made up. First, you say that the young PRO in the CO goes all in(and he has you barely covered), but you squeezed with AKo? How do you squeeze when you would be all-in? Seems like a level to me.
I just meant look at my cards, sorry to post a confusing term - its like my 3rd post. I goggle the kid when i got home because he was bragging about a big win he just had so I know he's a pro with lots of nice cashs + he was talking to everyone at all the nearby tables.

If this is a true question, then I ask, what does "loose but pretty solid overall" mean to you? Is he just calling a ton of hands? Is he raising everything? Is he spreading out his calling/raising frequency?
I've played the entire tournament with him - he was a late entry (came at the end of the first level) and he has raised a lot of hands.

AKo all-in preflop as it many times is at best 50% and when you have a decent sized stack, flipping for it isn't a good time.
agreeded
 
D

Dukesbeach

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Nov 30, 2011
Total posts
9
Chips
0
OP, if CO is actually a 'young pro' & his read on you is 'older tight player' (& even if it isn't his read on you), CO should be shoving pretty wide here. w/o knowing more details, I'd suggest they're shoving top20%.
If they're shoving Top18% (22+, A5s+,KTs+,QTs,JTs+,ATo+) you'd have ~60% vs. that range with AKo in this spot.


To consider folding in a spot like this would be HORRENDOUS!!!
I agree with the range you put him on. I'm a cash game player and when I'm running good I have been taking shots at these tournaments. Since it's pretty obvious thats his range I guess no one could find a fold here. In a small cash NLH game where I live I avoid getting it all-in preflop with AK when someone donks into me for a large amount, but thats the big difference in a tournament you can't wait forever for a better spot.

 
dj11

dj11

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Total posts
23,189
Awards
9
Chips
0
I understood exactly. I think his use of the term squeeze is like you are squeezing AK between your fingertips, not like the squeeze play.

Given your M is low, you don't have many hands left unless you do something...this is a snap call for me also. Could be an old retarded fart in the cutoff doing the same thing...Red herring......

You have a top 10 hand, what are you gonna wait for??????
 
Poker Orifice

Poker Orifice

Fully Tilted
Platinum Level
Joined
Jan 19, 2008
Total posts
25,598
Awards
6
CA
Chips
968
Given your M is low, .....
This is why you call here?
Whether my 'M' is high.. 'M' is low... my spirits are 'hi' ...fly is low.. I'm calling here in BB with AK vs. any CO openshove ALWAYS!

I'm guessing we called.. villain held 55 & their hand held up. (or we fold face-up & the comments fly)
 
Pascal-lf

Pascal-lf

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2010
Total posts
3,161
Awards
1
Chips
1
doing anything other than snap call here is really horrible
 
D

Dukesbeach

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Nov 30, 2011
Total posts
9
Chips
0
Yup, I called and was shown QQ - was knocked out when no ace or king showed up.
 
B

BlueNowhere

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 1, 2011
Total posts
4,234
Chips
0
Standard call and somebody playing a WPT event should know this.
 
Vfranks

Vfranks

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 9, 2009
Total posts
2,181
Awards
1
Chips
1
maybe $540 was outta ur BR and u were playing a little scared?
 
Top