Would you play this any differently??

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Second hand from my "How would you play it" series. I will be doing cash and tournaments games in this series.

If you missed the first hand it was a cash game and here it is:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/how-would-you-play-it-386787/

$109 NL Hold'em (7, players)
(20000/40000)

Villain (LJ) 1,844,887
Hero (CO) 2,196,684


Pre flop: Hero has K J

LJ Raises to 80,000, Hero raises to 198,288, LJ Re-raises to 379,221, Hero calls 185.93

Flop($846,442, 2 players) 10 Q 5

LJ bets 355,505, Hero raises 1,555,555, LJ calls all in 1,465,666

Turn($3,777,774, 2 players) A

River($3,777,774, 2 players) 5

Villain LJ has A A (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
Hero CO K J (a flush, King high)
 
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i would not raise him preflop with that hand; but i think you still get stacked in this spot on the turn, whrere he gets a set. you had equity adavantage on the flop& turn so i'd say you played ok
 
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I really like the 3bet preflop to test his range and get alot of his mid range hands to fold. His 4bet sizing makes it impossible to fold so I'm good with a flat here. The rest of the hand is pretty much ABC.
 
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Hi Sarah!

This scenario above, it's from the final table ?
 
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I think its the perfect way to play a hand. 3 bet pre-flop maybe too much but depends on the personality that the player set for himself at the table. On the flop played in the best way possible, hero had so many outs that the only right call was to 3 bet all in. Later what happened was bad luck. You had approximately same odds of winning the hand on the flop. On the turn hero was in heaven, and sadly fell on the river.
 
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Once you see that flop theres not a lot people that could lay that down.
 
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I consider losing a flush to a full house is the worst bad beat. Especially if the board pairs on the turn or river. Mostly luck!
 
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The way I see it there is not much more I would play differently.

The only I would change is I wouldn't put a big stack of chips before flop simply because you could easily get pot committed which is what happened in that hand.
 
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Preflop, 3-bet is not good. KJs is too strong to 3-bet as a bluff and too weak to 3-bet for value. Better hand for 3-bet would be K9s or K8s. With KJs it's call.

As played 3-bet is too small. It's is 2.1x, I think it should be at least 2.5x.

As played, our reaction to 4-bet depends on villain. We need only 21% to call, considering ICM, we probably would need more. If villain is a good player, it is definitely call, if he is nit then it's fold.

Postflop, we hit great board, hand plays itself.
 
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I would not have reraise, I would have paid his bet to see, to see the straight I would have probably bet everything, but the result I think would have been the same, because he would be seeing trio of A unless the opponent thinks he can have a straight, is a difficult situation
 
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Is a $109 buy in tournament you can't say for sure anything because there are many regulars in those fields , you are the only one who knows the dynamics of the table and the opponent. It could be a 4 bet jam or an easy fold opponent oriented. It is not a freeroll in order to do standard plays etc.

- You are in position but you have to 3bet a bigger amount approx 3x initial opening and 3.5x-4x if you are out of position, but to be honest I am sure you know that staff I write them for other CCers.

-The post flop play is the optimum play you can't afford to see a cbet , you put the money in the middle sometimes you are ahead ,you are very deep pre flop I know but you are waiting the have deck in order to complete your flush or your straight.

ps. Those 2x 4bets even out of position indicate strength , the opponent lures you to call them down. Most of the times he holds AA and he crashes your flatting range AJs+ , and maybe QQ+ . GG
 
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I think the only thing I would not have done was to have played more carefully since ok at the beginning I had straight but then a color was formed and I always think a little bit more than ok it has color with A I think it depends on the moment, I suppose that sometimes you have to be in that situation, or live it to see what we would do
 
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Preflop, 3-bet is not good. KJs is too strong to 3-bet as a bluff and too weak to 3-bet for value. Better hand for 3-bet would be K9s or K8s. With KJs it's call.

As played 3-bet is too small. It's is 2.1x, I think it should be at least 2.5x.

As played, our reaction to 4-bet depends on villain. We need only 21% to call, considering ICM, we probably would need more. If villain is a good player, it is definitely call, if he is nit then it's fold.

Postflop, we hit great board, hand plays itself.



This is really well said. My first question after I saw that 3-bet with KJs is, do we call a shove pre flop? In general I try to ask that question every time I am 3-betting in a tournament, if I find myself with a no, then I opt to call instead of 3-bet.
In any case, the board was really inviting for you to get your chips in, I would probably play pre-flop differently but my chips would go all in eventually on that board.
 
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