Would you fold QQ in this spot??

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so that happen and I almost fold... :(

pokerstars Hand #165479592631: Tournament #1805446069, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (1750/3500) - 2017/01/31 20:30:41 BRT [2017/01/31 17:30:41 ET]
Table '1805446069 13' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kidallv (41643 in chips)
Seat 2: shukur1 (69853 in chips)
Seat 3: Guaxiinim (148528 in chips)
Seat 4: dinger54321 (47737 in chips)
Seat 5: mearson89 (166921 in chips)
Seat 6: karss4 (137199 in chips)
Seat 7: victorkerr94 (77010 in chips)
Seat 8: anna dark77 (13515 in chips)
Seat 9: m0usias (360210 in chips)
kidallv: posts the ante 250
shukur1: posts the ante 250
Guaxiinim: posts the ante 250
dinger54321: posts the ante 250
mearson89: posts the ante 250
karss4: posts the ante 250
victorkerr94: posts the ante 250
anna dark77: posts the ante 250
m0usias: posts the ante 250
mearson89: posts small blind 1750
karss4: posts big blind 3500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to victorkerr94 [Qd Qc]
victorkerr94: raises 7000 to 10500
anna dark77: folds
m0usias: folds
kidallv: folds
shukur1: folds
Guaxiinim: folds
dinger54321: folds
mearson89: raises 13292 to 23792
karss4: raises 28708 to 52500
victorkerr94: raises 24260 to 76760 and is all-in
mearson89: raises 89911 to 166671 and is all-in
karss4: calls 84449 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (29722) returned to mearson89
*** FLOP *** [6h Jd 3d]
*** TURN *** [6h Jd 3d] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [6h Jd 3d 5d] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mearson89: shows [Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces)
karss4: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
mearson89 collected 120378 from side pot
 
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QQ is a bit awkward in a 3way. moreover the 3bets would also be a little concern so yes id fold , any additional information opponents play style ?
 
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Its tough to get away from QQ here.
I almost know for sure I myself would get it in even tho with both re-raises its kinda obv with the blinds where they are one of the 2 are at least holding KK or AA possibly AK who knows.
Sucky position to be in there.
Great fold if u do.
 
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Never folding a premium u till I see a flop there
 
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Very unlucky running your QQ not just into KK's but also AAs.

I would say it depends on how villains played before this hand. With no reads on 2 people shoving then I am afraid I would be folding here.

As this is not a freeroll and a lot of the weaker players have normally busted at this level, I don't think they are likely going to shove light, again I would fold here.
 
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If I knew the tedencies/table image of these villains it would be easier to answer . But generally , I don't like very much QQ , I would prefer 2.5xbb preflop raising , then after the 3bet x2.5 from the small blind and 4bet from big blind for 45% of his stack , having to call almost an all in , that's a very easy fold for me .
These raises from sb and bb indicate something big , so I would prefer to stay out of this hand with my ladies .
 
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If I knew the tedencies/table image of these villains it would be easier to answer . But generally , I don't like very much QQ , I would prefer 2.5xbb preflop raising , then after the 3bet x2.5 from the small blind and 4bet from big blind for 45% of his stack , having to call almost an all in , that's a very easy fold for me .
These raises from sb and bb indicate something big , so I would prefer to stay out of this hand with my ladies .
I totally agree with Antonis here. To me it's best to not risk so much of your stack and All ins pre are a lotto. Hard to throw good cards away but to become a great player that's what it takes.
 
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It also depends on turnament stage. By stacks it is a medium or late stage, fold with QQ is good move. Almost all donks are off, and play QQ all-in preflop isn't good idea, you almost always will look for AA or KK
 
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With the straight showing I would have folded after river
 
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3 bet re-raise all in *usually* indicates AA or KK ESPECIALLY in a 3 way hand. Tough lay down but I think you have to make it. You weren't short stacked...if you were I'd say play it. But, a fold here is totally acceptable. Caveat: I say all that not knowing how the table is playing and only on past experience. If one of these rebet players is a maniac with any two, I'd be ok playing the QQ..BUT 3 way...I'm leery still.
 
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Two players have played with the greatest stacks one after another 3bet and 4 Bet. At the last stages of a tournament it is a serious occasion to think of fold of the pocket QQ. Of course it wouldn't be bad to look at statistics in HUD at these players, but if the statistics on them isn't known or if they are rather don't climb to play with any cards, then in such situation I would incline to dumping.
 
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Easy fold! What you want to see on this pre flop action!! Ak minimum. And even AK wont play so aggressive. So QQ easy fold. Also why you raised 3x , 2x would do it.
 
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Probably a fold for me, with no other information available.
 
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Never folding a premium u till I see a flop there

So your plan would've been to flatcall the 4-bet there for 2/3 of your stack & then choose how to proceed once you've seen the flop? (we'd have ~7bb's left after making that call). What if the player who 3bet then chooses to 5bai after we flat? Do we fold then.... or call?
 
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so that happen and I almost fold... :(

PokerStars Hand #165479592631: Tournament #1805446069, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (1750/3500) - 2017/01/31 20:30:41 BRT [2017/01/31 17:30:41 ET]
Table '1805446069 13' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kidallv (41643 in chips)
Seat 2: shukur1 (69853 in chips)
Seat 3: Guaxiinim (148528 in chips)
Seat 4: dinger54321 (47737 in chips)
Seat 5: mearson89 (166921 in chips)
Seat 6: karss4 (137199 in chips)
Seat 7: victorkerr94 (77010 in chips)
Seat 8: anna dark77 (13515 in chips)
Seat 9: m0usias (360210 in chips)
kidallv: posts the ante 250
shukur1: posts the ante 250
Guaxiinim: posts the ante 250
dinger54321: posts the ante 250
mearson89: posts the ante 250
karss4: posts the ante 250
victorkerr94: posts the ante 250
anna dark77: posts the ante 250
m0usias: posts the ante 250
mearson89: posts small blind 1750
karss4: posts big blind 3500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to victorkerr94 [Qd Qc]
victorkerr94: raises 7000 to 10500
anna dark77: folds
m0usias: folds
kidallv: folds
shukur1: folds
Guaxiinim: folds
dinger54321: folds
mearson89: raises 13292 to 23792
karss4: raises 28708 to 52500
victorkerr94: raises 24260 to 76760 and is all-in
mearson89: raises 89911 to 166671 and is all-in
karss4: calls 84449 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (29722) returned to mearson89
*** FLOP *** [6h Jd 3d]
*** TURN *** [6h Jd 3d] <font color='red'>5<font face="arial">♦</font></font>
*** RIVER *** [6h Jd 3d 5d] <font color='red'>4♥</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mearson89: shows [Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces)
karss4: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
mearson89 collected 120378 from side pot


Victor, try posting your handhistory only up til' its your turn to act. In this case post something like this >>>

PokerStars Hand #165479592631: Tournament #1805446069, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (1750/3500) - 2017/01/31 20:30:41 BRT [2017/01/31 17:30:41 ET]
Table '1805446069 13' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kidallv (41643 in chips)
Seat 2: shukur1 (69853 in chips)
Seat 3: Guaxiinim (148528 in chips)
Seat 4: dinger54321 (47737 in chips)
Seat 5: mearson89 (166921 in chips)
Seat 6: karss4 (137199 in chips)
Seat 7: victorkerr94 (77010 in chips)
Seat 8: anna dark77 (13515 in chips)
Seat 9: m0usias (360210 in chips)
kidallv: posts the ante 250
shukur1: posts the ante 250
Guaxiinim: posts the ante 250
dinger54321: posts the ante 250
mearson89: posts the ante 250
karss4: posts the ante 250
victorkerr94: posts the ante 250
anna dark77: posts the ante 250
m0usias: posts the ante 250
mearson89: posts small blind 1750
karss4: posts big blind 3500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to victorkerr94 [Qd Qc]
victorkerr94: raises 7000 to 10500
anna dark77: folds
m0usias: folds
kidallv: folds
shukur1: folds
Guaxiinim: folds
dinger54321: folds
mearson89: raises 13292 to 23792
karss4: raises 28708 to 52500
victorkerr94: ??????????
 
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... and provide as much info. as you can (ie. player reads, history vs. villain(s), our image, etc. etc.)
 
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As hard as it is to fold here, I think it's the right play. Even if you are up against a raggedy ace and an underpair, you're only about 56% to win, and that's your very best case scenario against the loosest of opponents. If you're up against either KK or AA you have no where near the odds you need, and even if you're ahead I suspect it's a -$ev play depending on how late in the tourney you are. You have no fold equity against karss and little against mearson on the reraise, so I think you have to make this fold.
 
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Sometimes the best thing is pay the 3-bet and see the flop. If the villain c-bet he probably has AA or KK
If you don't see another Q on flop the right thing is fold
But.... It is very difficult.
 
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I say it's a fold. I like your bet size getting in utg, but with raise and re-raise.... even with a premium starting hand....I think you got priced out to continue.
 
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Mehh with 22 bb's and a micro tourney I would call. But its a very close call imo.
 
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Mehh with 22 bb's and a micro tourney I would call. But its a very close call imo.

Agreed.

I would raise smaller pre UTG: 7500-8000. Then I might be able to fold, but not really.

Raising to 10500 if the other players are all in already you'd have 66260 behind the pot would be 232530 so you only need 28.5% for chip equity. ICM would probably raise this some but not enough information is given. If both other players range is { QQ+, AK } your QQ is 31%. The 3 bet is probably wider, 4 bet might be tighter, but not enough information given.

Short answer it's close, depends on history of opponents, but I'm pretty much always going bust with QQ preflop after raising first in, especially microstakes.
 
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That's an awkward position for sure, I'm probably making the call more than folding tho. It's a close call, when I fold It because I know the players raising are conservative and more likely to have holdings like AA, KK, AK
 
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Depending on opponents. If they are weak - never. If strong - always, because we can see min 3-bet and min-4bet. Someone of them got KK or AA.
 
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