Would you call on Turn?

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See the link I was losing an excellent hand for a fullhouse that formed on the river. What would you do if you were my opponent, would you call that on the turn? Was my bet weak on the turn or was it just luck?


link: https://www.boomplayer.com/26301004_19F8CB0FED
 
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Doesn't matter, he wasn't folding a set.
 
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I would say he read that you had a flush but you’re non raise wasn’t enough to push him off one more card to try and make the boat.

I don’t think you need to shove there as you’re only going to get called but a king high flush or a full house.
 
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If I'm your opponent I'm definitely calling your min check raise on the turn hoping to boat up. I'd have put you on the flush, or at worst Ax 2pr. A bigger raise or even a lead bet would've given me some pause but like someone else said....hard to lay down a set there.

I don't like your shove on the river. Though he's probably shoving if you bet smaller or even check and you're probably calling given this type of tournament and stack sizes so I guess it's not terrible
 
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Interesting hand. I will start from turn: whatever you raised he would call with set. So 750, it's ok. But all in on river... what was that? It was so obvious that he catched full house. He could call on flush Board 750 only with two pairs or set. I thought he had A 4.. good final situation I this hand would be, you check he all in and you fold. It was so obvious. More luck next time I wish you
 
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Interesting hand. I will start from turn: whatever you raised he would call with set. So 750, it's ok. But all in on river... what was that? It was so obvious that he catched full house. He could call on flush Board 750 only with two pairs or set. I thought he had A 4.. good final situation I this hand would be, you check he all in and you fold. It was so obvious. More luck next time I wish you

Everything this dude said is wrong. Ignore it.


The re-click on the turn was NOT ok, the shove on the river was ok. You can't put him solely on a boat. You're playing a micro freeroll, he's gonna show up with a one pair hand there more often than you'd believe. If you wanna re-raise the turn, make it bigger.


Doesn't really matter anyway, chips were getting in no matter what. You might as well check it all the way or push on the flop, outcome would be the same.
 
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Turn raise size too small ,n river push bad play … if u play that way y not turn jam ? Freeroll or micro game ,u turn jam ,he still call u ! U will lose anyway ! But u need to make a right play , I will : turn raise 750 ~1250 , river he only 1000 left bet still OK , if he have more chips , check call !!
U bet not much hand ,he can call n u not be beat( lower flush ,2 pair maybe )… u check , n let him bluff is more make sense
 
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It was a lucky situation for your opponent. I also would not make a bigger bet, hoping that he would pay me and I'd get the money.
 
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I think that your game is correct, but not on the river - why was this Push on a paired board? Check-Call on the river in my opinion would be more correct.
 
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How were wroten higher, your opponent wouldnt fold set on turn, even with three club cards on board, question in your push on the river, when 4 had paird, you must have stop your aggression and watch opponent move.
 
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Agree with raise bigger on the turn... your raise size gives your opponent 5-1 odds (1750 in pot after the raise and only 350 to call) to fill up.

Given they could have the best hand sometimes - they'd be foolish not to call. Probably better off making it 1200 and shoving river.

As played check/decide based on what they bet, but I'm still probably calling most players with stacks as shallow as they are (I sleep well at night).

Good luck to you! :D
 
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Everything this dude said is wrong. Ignore it.


The re-click on the turn was NOT ok, the shove on the river was ok. You can't put him solely on a boat. You're playing a micro freeroll, he's gonna show up with a one pair hand there more often than you'd believe. If you wanna re-raise the turn, make it bigger.


Doesn't really matter anyway, chips were getting in no matter what. You might as well check it all the way or push on the flop, outcome would be the same.

Exactly. . It's a freeroll tournament and u have a queen high flush those chips r going in. As u said If some 1 in a freeroll has a pair they will call u down with it no matter what the board is.
Don't get me wrong if this was a different tournament that I paid more $$ to get into then wen the board paired I would definitely have a good think before I shoved all my chips in .
 
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Your betting issue started on the flop not the turn

Ok, so as I see this hand, I believe that you misplayed it from the very start. You are biggest stack at the table, so that should tell you immediately that Q10 suited is one of the safest plays you can make from largest stack, in fact it is easily in the top ten hands you could have received. The reward is substantially higher than the risk when you have the understanding that you have countless boards which produce extremely favorable come from behind wins, as happened in your case, when high ace came with two more of your suits. Think about these points:

If one assumes your opponent bet in holding an ace, thus giving them top pair right off the bat from the flop, well then think about what they have to look at if you bet aggressively: well, it is immediately clear if you bet hard then you are representing you have either an ace too with strong kicker - or, you are representing you have flush draw - or, you don't have shit and are bluffing - either way, the opposing player now has to fight your hand on multiple fronts because of what you represented.... Now, the player has a lot more thinking to do before they reach the river... Their stack was 6th at the table, smack dab in the middle, so they have some chips to give, but not so much they can keep betting and stay in the game... So, you know from this analysis so far, that you are not betting at the pot - you are betting at his chip stack, let us examine what differently may have happened... Remember, big stack is enriched only when there is an aggressive betting angle, and bled dry when smaller stacks are allowed to stay in long enough to make their hand...


This is the best way I see to play your hand...


When opening bet wasn't raised all the way over to me on the big blind, and I'm holding suited Q10, then I'm raising on my opening bet to 300 based off the stacks that could go in the pot with you.... I imagine that knocks small blind off immediately, good because you box out hands similar to yours from being played, while still inviting small pairs, most Ace combos, and medium range King combos... Now, you know your opponent...


To continue, I obviously believe your opponent calls 300 but is uneasy about it, because so many hands you hold can immediately beat him. Sp, the flop is flipped... Now, because the small blind probably folded already, the bet is first to you. Upon seeing strong flush draw with Ace of my suit showing, I bet 700, because that's about the max he can give away before becoming complete pot committed, as your opponent would still be ahead of 2 others at 2k and only a hundred from the next one up. Because your opponent makes a set, they probably call the 700.


Next up, the turn.... on hitting the flush, I bet 1200, because if he calls that bet and loses, then they are all but out of the game. So, let's say your opponent calls this bet, then you know they are representing something extremely strong, but not the strongest, so it is safe to assume at this point that your opponent has two pair or a set...


If they called on the turn, then the river.... I bet 300 (remember, we are chip stack betting) then it is likely your opponent in all likelihood only makes the call as the entire time you represented something insanely strong so why not save a few chips just in case this idiot somehow did have something better kind of thought.


And, yes you still lose if they went through all the way like this, but keep in mind you still would have saved 500 chips, which would have put you in a much more secure position chip stack wise


Thats IF they called on the turn, which I don't think they would have, I think 1200 would have been too much for them to risk sitting on a hand that was just beat.


Just my thoughts, fare thee well friend
 
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IMO is all good but why shoving on the river,even in small tournaments ppl can lay down an ace there(tough its very read based),so all in is not the best option(maybe check-and call)tough the hand played itself so anyways same result ..
 
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Even though hind sight is 20/20 I'm surprised I haven't seen a suggestion that you maybe should have reraised preflop to try to weed out some crappy hand catching up to your midway decent hand. Sure your position isn't too great but when you hit a flush draw on the flop vs someone that hasn't hit the set and is waiting on a flush (especially in freerolls) you can get called down by 2 pair or even top or 2nd pair.
 
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It was a good hand, luck is with you
 
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See the link I was losing an excellent hand for a fullhouse that formed on the river. What would you do if you were my opponent, would you call that on the turn? Was my bet weak on the turn or was it just luck?


link: https://www.boomplayer.com/26301004_19F8CB0FED

In my opinion, its just bad luck, your opponent was going to call no matter what happen because the player had a set and was not going to relinquish the hand.
 
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Reply to Discintildeath

@Discintildeath - I actually mentioned raising on the opening round in mine :) we are of the same mind on that nuance - with his stack, it only makes sense to play hands you can control, which means you get into that particular hand by making the two who were in the hand when the bet got to him to have to call a raise. There are so many more paths to victory for him by dictating the pace of betting. And, more importantly, dictating the hand also creates more exits in case the opponent's play demonstrates an obviously superior hand. Our hero did not make any bets at any point which forced his opponent to begin considering his chip stack until his opponent finally made his hand on the river. It was misplayed from the beginning, no doubt in my mind.
 
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I did not like your raise on the turn. Yes, you have the second flush. But the opponent with something puts. He's clearly not a bluff. And it is unlikely that he has K9 in suit. Perhaps two pairs with A. Perhaps set. I think you should just play the call on the turn. And decide what to do on the river. But in any case, it was difficult to get away from this cooler.
 
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Turn is sort of inconsequential really, no one is going to lay down a set there. Personally I feel like you’re looking at the wrong decision.
 
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played good, not going to throw his set, so it's the luck of the game, he gambled and reraise, he was safe with his set that eventually turned into Fullhouse, but fine play
 
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In this hand, almost nothing depends on the size of your raise

In this hand, almost nothing depends on the size of your raise. Your opponent had 10 outs, and even if you went to the all-in, he would most likely call and the result would be the same as it turned out for you. This is one of the not successful hands in which you were doomed to lose. The only option was how to avoid losing, when the repeat of 4 on the river came out, you could not give all in and wait and see what your opponent will do. And if he made a bet or went to all-in, then you would just make a pass and save your chips. But in order to make such decisions, for this it is necessary to feel the game very well and opponents
 
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