Would like feedback on this please Big BI game

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Won a ticket to this game - Thank you CC - and I blew it in just a few hands.

Please give me some constructive criticism or - just a fair evaluation of what happened - would really appreciate it.

partypoker - $109+$0|250/500 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

mihael888 (SB): 28,275
vegas_jj (BB): 29,500
K9Peggy (UTG): 32,639
DaniBoti (UTG+1): 30,016
CrazyGoatHerder (MP): 25,338
s-poker (MP+1): 31,662
warndpg18 (MP+2): 26,758
HELLA_chips (CO): 35,662
M4Hy_MeZ1 (BTN): 30,150

9 players post ante of 75, mihael888 posts SB 250, vegas_jj posts BB 500

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,425) vegas_jj has A:club: K:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, warndpg18 raises to 1,150, fold, fold, fold, vegas_jj calls 650

Flop: (3,225, 2 players) 5:club: 7:diamond: 9:heart:
vegas_jj checks, warndpg18 bets 1,612, vegas_jj calls 1,612

Turn: (6,449, 2 players) 9:club:
vegas_jj checks, warndpg18 bets 2,750, vegas_jj calls 2,750

River: (11,949, 2 players) 6:heart:
vegas_jj checks, warndpg18 checks

vegas_jj shows A:club: K:diamond: (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 62%, Flop 23%, Turn 14%)
warndpg18 shows J:spade: 7:spade: (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 38%, Flop 77%, Turn 86%)
warndpg18 wins 11,949

My notes: I expected he has Ax and I am stronger - although there was clearly the possibility he may have a pp... I guess I picked the Ax - and I was wrong on both accounts.
Which leaves me with not understanding his raise pre...
(Only thing I can think of is hope to steel, with option to hit...still is that a good strategy?)

4 hands later...

partypoker - $109+$0|250/500 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

mihael888 (MP+1): 27,725
vegas_jj (MP+2): 23,438
K9Peggy (CO): 31,589
DaniBoti (BTN): 28,966
CrazyGoatHerder (SB): 25,963
s-poker (BB): 32,787
warndpg18 (UTG): 32,895
HELLA_chips (UTG+1): 35,362
M4Hy_MeZ1 (MP): 31,275

9 players post ante of 75, CrazyGoatHerder posts SB 250, s-poker posts BB 500

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,425) vegas_jj has K:heart: K:spade:

warndpg18 raises to 1,250, fold, M4Hy_MeZ1 calls 1,250, fold, vegas_jj calls 1,250, fold, fold, fold, s-poker calls 750

Flop: (5,925, 4 players) 4:spade: 8:spade: 5:diamond:
s-poker checks, warndpg18 bets 4,250, M4Hy_MeZ1 calls 4,250, vegas_jj raises to 22,113 and is all-in, fold, warndpg18 raises to 31,570 and is all-in, fold

Turn: (54,401, 2 players) J:diamond:

River: (54,401, 2 players) 3:club:

warndpg18 shows A:club: A:heart: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
vegas_jj shows K:heart: K:spade: (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 18%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
warndpg18 wins 9,457
warndpg18 wins 54,401

My notes: I did figure he is not likely to pull the same play a second time so soon, so he probably has a real good hand. But I am vulnerable only to AA, pot is too nice, I cannot fold ... What should I have been thinking??

Yea I am very sad - I blew such a wonderful opportunity
 
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I really was hoping for some feedback... :(

Was my thinking OK - and it was just what it was
OR
Was I really off in my thoughts?

It is long gone, and done, but would hope to get something (learn) from it - be it that it was errors I made or confidence that what I did was OK.

Much appreciate it, as I really am confused and very insecure right now.
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The KK vs AA obviously is a cooler but I definitely would not slow play KK when the BB could still enter the pot or something. With that stack to pot ratio the Kings should never be folded. The AK hand logic made sense, you were just outflopped. Not a fan of the AK slow play either, I would have 3 bet since you were out of position which is one thing that made it a confusing hand.
 
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So other than pre flop and maybe calling down wide with AK high your plays were standard and just had bad results. Better luck next time.
 
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Crap happens in tournaments, and sometimes, even the donks have a real hand. I do not see how you made an error in your KK hand. That's just bad luck. But you may have overplayed your AK. Most people forget that at the end of the day, AK is only Ace high. If you consider that 22 has you beat, you can play a bit tighter and get away from that hand. With KK and 40bb, you may have been overly aggressive. The question you have to ask yourself, is what hand were you hoping he had, and were you expecting a call or a fold? If you min-raise his flop bet, if he shoves you can fold and still have about 25bb behind. As you can see, very many ways to look at your decision, but don't get hung up on the result. Tough when it is a fairly big buy-in tournament, but treat it the same as a $1.00 sng. You got knocked out holding the 2nd best starting hand in hold-em. we can only go with the information we have. You had a dry flop with KK against a player who raises with J 7 because they were suited, and is willing to aggressively bet middle pair with no kicker. You only fold post flop if you think he has flopped a set, has 6 7 suited or AA. I hope this makes some sense and helps. I really do know your pain. Gl however it goes.
 
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Thank you all very much for the feedback.

I practically never play these mega size BI's and was seriously wondering if perhaps because of the big BI, maybe should stay away from taking any risk early in the game - or maybe there is some other consideration.
Your feedback makes sense to me - and could have played better the first hand, but seems I should not lose sleep over "my bad play" but look at it like in any game, just part of "poker".
Thank you as my self confidence went real low.
 
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i also dont play big Buy in tournaments, i have played in a few with a friend coaching me in the past, and to be honest the big tourneys play a lot like small buy in tourney's

you have the fishy's, you have the sharks, always keep in mind where your chips are going to come from....
so from hand 1, you thought he was reiple barrelling Ace high.... wont comment much on your thought process about the hand, but the thought process of what you felt he was capable of doing.... if your thoughts on his plays are correct then surely overplaying AK is a huge mistake on your part since you can get a nice hand and make him pay you off
(rule 1... know where your chips are going to come from)

as for the kings hand dont think you can escape that with just 40bb left, its possible if you arent overly agressive ie... trying to stack off with just an overpair or something, but its again your oppinion on the opponent...
(rule 2... always ask yourself why is my opponent doing this)

There is always a story to a hand, just work on what makes sense and play accordingly.
 
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second hand thats poker nothing u can do there-first hand is crazy your getting your a-k raised by j-7 in a 109.00 tourny -i can only think that villian was repping a huge hand preflop when he raised you-i dont like your flop check at all it shows weekness-maybe villian picked up on that so he c- bet and you called-same thing with turn you checked he bet out-im folding a-k here after it missed flop and turn -maybe even on flop-then comes river you check villian checks probaly thinking he lost the hand so he checked-i heard it said calling a bet takes a better hand than one to raise with-in hindsight i might re-raised preflop that mighta got a fold but im thinking anyone who raises with j-7 isint folding anyway-ive busted out of a huge number of mtt,s when my a-k doesnt hit,overplaying it ,not willing to fold it-maybe the old man was right the best lesson learned is one thats lived
 
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The AA vs KK is obviously a cooler and nothing can be done about that , but u played correct as its difficult to put villain on AA

coming to First one The Thought process made sense as he could be having an Ax hand and call on flop was justified
But i think Calling on Turn is mistake because when hes clearly firing another bet on turn .
hes clearly representing min a pair which we dont have , if we catch Ace on River it might not help us if he holds a pair with Ace as kicker

So Fold on turn is good option
 
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Basic solution- You had A K . once flop missed just fold it. Never marry with that.

K K vs A A- Chipstack control and particular game reading is must. In your case it was very easy. Initial raise was called by 3 players involving 4 players in the game which clearly suggested minimum 2 players hold monster hands and your take would had A A, K K or Q Q. Even flop did not show any photo so It clearly validated that. Even after post flop you got an opportunity when there was a bet which sealed that your opponent had A A or a set from the flop. Simply fold post flop as more players are in the game then there is absolutely very blur chance for KK.
 
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