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I have just started this book and enjoy the hand by hand description of tournament player. However, while his logic seems excellent against an average to good player it seems overly tight for a lot of online play.

For those of you who have read the book he makes excellent point on specific hands about when you know you should be beaten by the bet patterns of your opponents. However if you have ever played in a tournament on Jokerstars where every tournament gets hundreds or thousands of people a lot of these tournaments (I've seen them frequently in tournaments up to a $50 buy in) you will find that these people are god damn lunatics and you're losing money by folding. Even without prior hand history of these players they're so loose in general it seems to be a losing play to fold something like JJ on an undercard board even if they might be showing enough strength to have a set. I've seen it time and time again these people with their top pair sometimes even with a decent kicker if they're playing A7 bet like they have the nuts and you would frequently be folding the winning hand.

On the other hand, if you mess up one of these you could be putting your entire stack in jeopardy.

How would you play hands like these against unknown villains who bet strongly on a hand such as was described above? I apologize if i was overly vague I would be glad to rephrase what is necessary.
 
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I have just started this book and enjoy the hand by hand description of tournament player. However, while his < "his" ,... there are 4 authors in total in that book... it's not all written by one particular player. logic seems excellent against an average to good player it seems overly tight for a lot of online play. Read onward,.. I would have to TOTALLY disagree with what you've written here. Overyly tight?? In some hands there will be the practise of pot control, not turning a hand with showdown value into a bluff, etc.
For those of you who have read the book he makes excellent point on specific hands about when you know you should be beaten by the bet patterns of your opponents. However if you have ever played in a tournament on Jokerstars where every tournament gets hundreds or thousands of people a lot of these tournaments (I've seen them frequently in tournaments up to a $50 buy in) you will find that these people are god damn lunatics and you're losing money by folding.< For each hand the particular authors says what the buyin is "&" says if they have any history with that player and what they know about their game. This is far different than a typical table in a lower buyin MTT donkament. (there are a few hands taken from $50 buyins & the description of the play suggests the difference) Even without prior hand history of these players they're so loose in general it seems to be a losing play to fold something like JJ on an undercard board even if they might be showing enough strength to have a set. I've seen it time and time again these people with their top pair sometimes even with a decent kicker if they're playing A7 bet like they have the nuts and you would frequently be folding the winning hand.

On the other hand, if you mess up one of these you could be putting your entire stack in jeopardy.

How would you play hands like these against unknown villains who bet strongly on a hand such as was described above? I apologize if i was overly vague I would be glad to rephrase what is necessary.

Maybe the book isn't relevant to the tourneys you're playing? One can't play with level 4 thinking vs. level1 thinking opponents.
 
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I don't know if tight is the right word. They are just very methodical about the way they play, which is something they're hoping their readers pick up on and try to emulate. They definitely do consider who they're playing against, too, they always distinguish the spots where they're up against good thinking regs from the spots they're playing against randoms or fish, etc. So if it seems like they're playing tight, it's always for a good reason.

This series is the best MTT series out there imo, just for the way it shows you the right things to think about at the table.
 
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Haven't read the book in quite some time but I'm pretty sure it takes into account the type of opponant your playing in each hand. The thing you want to take away from the book is the thought process that goes into each hand. If your asking yourself the same questions during your play you will start making better decisions and that what pokers all about.
 
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So many poker books won't apply to micro stakes. There are too many guys throwing chips at their hand hoping it'll hit. Someone has a quote about making sophisticated plays against unsophisticated players,not sure who right now, but it usually means you'll get rivered by most of them. As PO said, you're on different levels.
 
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So many poker books won't apply to micro stakes. There are too many guys throwing chips at their hand hoping it'll hit. Someone has a quote about making sophisticated plays against unsophisticated players,not sure who right now, but it usually means you'll get rivered by most of them. As PO said, you're on different levels.

This applies some of the time, but I don't think it's true of this book. If you go about your tournament poker they way the authors of this book do, I think you'll be able to consider the best play for who your opponent is.
 
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