Originally Posted by Scourrge
Ehh... I play cash and tourneys, and I'd have to completely agree with that generalization. I think that there are more recreational players in tourneys - you get a lot more "bang for your buck."
But attract degenerates? Gambling in general attracts degenerates. If tourneys offer more excitement to degens it still offers more excitement to other people too - just in a healthier way
Did you mean completely disagree? Note that I'm not basing this on guesses it's my personal experience as well. I knew a tourney regular who literally bet his last dollar (it was a 1k bet) on a baseball game. And this wasn't out of the norm for him. He won that but ended up going bust betting other sports to the point where he had to get a loan from his parents. Also literally 95%+ (that might be an understatement) of tournament professionals are staked and because of the ridiculous variance of tournaments (read this if you have plans of making a living from mtts, it's not pretty: http://www.nsdpoker.com/2011/01/mtt-pros/
) generally you get people who think they're really good when in reality they just got lucky to bink something early in their career. But I'm friends with a lot of mtt pros, and most of them have been bust at one point or another in the last few years. I'm friends with a lot more cash pros, and I don't think I know a single cash pro who still beats poker and is broke. In fact like I said I know the one guy who bet his last $1k on a baseball game, I knew one mtt pro who made 80k from tourneys one year and lost 60k in the pit that same year, I've known pros I thought were my friends scamming their backers for tens of thousands of dollars. Meanwhile I've also seen some nasty things from cash pros, but I'm just saying as a huge generality, mtt pros are way more likely to make unprofitable bets with huge portions of their net worth than cash pros are. I have a friend who is almost certainly worth $1 million+ and I've seen play $50/$100nl cash games (with 100% of himself) and he turned down a $100 flip. He literally was cashing in a rack of ~50k at the time and he wouldn't flip for $100.
That said, if I was in Vegas going out for a night, hands down I'd want to spend it with an mtt pro than a cash pro, they're generally more entertaining/fun to be around. But in terms of a long-term friend I much prefer the company of cash pros. Just my personal preference/experience.
Originally Posted by Acesinthebig
This is my rationale- In a cash game one of the biggest factor in the way someone plays a certain hand is how much money they have. For example someone might sit with 100$ at a 1/2 table and have $10,000 bank roll, while another sits with a $500 bank roll, while another is all in with their last 100$. Its all relative and I think it determines the way people play sometimes. In a tournament everyone starts with the same amount of chips and buys in for the same amount of money so to me, its more of an even playing field. Granted this may not be the soundest of logic, because someone may sit at a 100$ tournament with a 1000$ bank roll and not take it as serious as someone who's all in for their last 100$.
Also the payout when you win one of those big tournys is huge. You can turn 10$ into 3000$. How long would it take you to turn 10$ into 3000$ playing cash games?
So you're saying if you are playing a $100 tournament with a $200 bankroll and it gets to the bubble and you have 20bb you're going to make that profitable reshove with 56s? You're going to be able to make the profitable call of the all-in with AJ knowing you're ~60% to win and thus 40% to lose half your bankroll? And I would bet a lot of money I can turn $10 into $3k far before someone else can playing tourneys. Playing the kind of tourneys you'd have to play you'd end up having to get extremely lucky to the point where I'd bet you couldn't even do it in a year, whereas I'm very confident I could turn $10 into 3k at cash games in ~2 months maybe even one month if I ran hot.