Why not to play spin and go.

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If u have problem with the gambling, what all we have, then u shouldnt play this..
In 90% of the cases you play 1vs1vs1 for only doubleing your money.. Why dont you play heada up?!
 
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Statistics show that this is a loss-making form of the game. I checked on myself that it is so. I'm closer to playing in tournaments, I'm more confident in myself.
 
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I think Spin&Go it is for advance players. Play One on One or One on Two is difficult than regular 6-9 places table. In much players you can have more % to win with lower cards on hand. I play always on Spin&Go if i have enought money and whten "the card is going on me" :D
 
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It is a totally different game from regular 9 handed holdem.

It can be profitable if we learn the necessary skills for it.
 
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It is a totally different game from regular 9 handed holdem.

It can be profitable if we learn the necessary skills for it.
Yes. I blef more often than regular 9 players table :D
 
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well its a high variance, high rake, and the sustainable long term rois look low
 
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If u have problem with the gambling, what all we have, then u shouldnt play this..
In 90% of the cases you play 1vs1vs1 for only doubleing your money.. Why dont you play heada up?!

Of course you can play HU as well. I think it doesn't differ much, if you play HU on a hyper format to the spin&go. The only difference is the varying pricepool of the spins.
 
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i have wild down swings playing spin and go, its nice to win one here and there but not playing those all the time
 
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If u have problem with the gambling, what all we have, then u shouldnt play this..
In 90% of the cases you play 1vs1vs1 for only doubleing your money.. Why dont you play heada up?!

I played spin and gos and simply it is a bankroll robber just don't play that game.
 
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For me is not a profitable game. This depends too much on luck and not on ability. The blinds increase rapidly and there are only 3 players. Perhaps there is some strategy to follow, but the bluff is dominant in this modality. A queston ... how many games have more than the double of the prize? Regularly a very low percentage is greater than the minimum amount to win.
 
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So far the majority of comments have been made by people that shouldn't be playing them with those attitudes.

There are ways of winning them, 1st and most important thing is that you need to very quickly work out what kind of opponents you have.

PepiIvo said:
Why not to play spin and go.
If u have problem with the gambling, what all we have, then u shouldnt play this..
In 90% of the cases you play 1vs1vs1 for only doubleing your money.. Why dont you play heada up?!

You will find that 100% of SPnG's are 1vs1vs1, if you haven't noticed that then maybe SPnG are not for you.

For me is not a profitable game. This depends too much on luck and not on ability. The blinds increase rapidly and there are only 3 players. Perhaps there is some strategy to follow, but the bluff is dominant in this modality. A queston ... how many games have more than the double of the prize? Regularly a very low percentage is greater than the minimum amount to win.

Wrong, aggression helps if your opponent respects your aggression, don't be too aggressive when you have the top hand you'll scare them off, most times if you show weakness the people that think that the bluff is dominant will pay you off almost every time.

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Zorba .. Thank you for your review. You have a lot of experience without doubt, for that reason I would like to answer my question to know your opinion ..... how many games have more than the double of the prize? Can it be a profitable game?
 
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I particularly do not like spin, it's a game with a greater variance and I think the player will only be profitable in the long run, and it may not be profitable.
 
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Zorba .. Thank you for your review. You have a lot of experience without doubt, for that reason I would like to answer my question to know your opinion ..... how many games have more than the double of the prize? Can it be a profitable game?]

I found this on a website that may answer your questions better than I can.

Experience over time is what will help you, everyone thinks aggression is the only way to win these, I agree in a way, but it won't be your aggression that helps you win only, it is using your opponents aggression against them that I win many games against over aggressive players.



When rake is 7% exact at the 1$ Spin & Gos


You'll need to have 35.9% or better winrate to be a breakeven player at 1$ Spin & Gos.

This means you will have to win on average 38.5 chips on every Spin & Go you play.

You'll need to have 37.7% or better winrate to be a +5% winner at 1$ Spin & Gos.

This means you will have to win on average 65.5 chips on every Spin & Go you play.

You'll need to have 39.5% or better winrate to be a +10% winner at 1$ Spin & Gos.

This means you will have to win on average 92.5 chips on every Spin & Go you play.


Rake is 6% exact at the 3$ and 7$ Spin & Gos.

You'll need to have 35.5% or better winrate to be a breakeven player at 3$ or 7$ Spin & Gos

This means you will have to win on average 32 chips on every Spin & Go you play.

You'll need to have 37.3% or better winrate to be a +5% winner at 3$ or 7$ Spin & Gos

This means you will have to win on average 59.5 chips on every Spin & Go you play.

You'll need to have 39.1% or better winrate to be a +10% winner at 3$ or 7$ Spin & Gos

This means you will have to win on average 85.5 chips on every Spin & Go you play.


Rake is 5% exact at the 15$ and 30$ Spin & Gos.


You'll need to have 35.1% or better winrate to be a breakeven player at 15$ or 30$ Spin & Gos

This means you will have to win on average 26.5 chips on every Spin & Go you play.

You'll need to have 36.9% or better winrate to be a +5% winner at 15$ or 30$ Spin & Gos

This means you will have to win on average 53.5 chips on every Spin & Go you play.

You'll need to have 38.6% or better winrate to be a +10% winner at 15$ or 30$ Spin & Gos

This means you will have to win on average 79 chips on every Spin & Go you play.



Odds in hitting a certain type of Spin & Go


1$ Spin & Go


5 / 100000 = 1000x buyin for the winner (0.005%) - also pays 100x for second and third

10 / 100000 = 200x buyin for the winner (0.01%) - also pays 20x for second and third

15 / 100000 = 100x buyin for the winner (0.015%) - also pays 10x for second and third

80 / 100000 = 25x buyin for the winner (0.08%)

1000 / 100000 = 10x buyin for the winner (1%) - 99.9% of starting 1$ Spin & Gos are between 2-10x

8000 / 100000 = 6x buyin for the winner (8%) - 98.9% of starting 1$ Spin & Gos are between 2-6x

13510 / 100000 = 4x buyin for the winner (13.51%) - 90.9% of starting 1$ Spin & Gos are between 2-4x

77380 / 100000 = 2x buyin for the winner (77.38%)


3$ Spin & Go


5 / 100000 = 1000x buyin for the winner (0.005%) - also pays 100x for second and third

10 / 100000 = 200x buyin for the winner (0.01%) - also pays 20x for second and third

15 / 100000 = 100x buyin for the winner (0.015%) - also pays 10x for second and third

80 / 100000 = 25x buyin for the winner (0.08%)

1000 / 100000 = 10x buyin for the winner (1%) - 99.9% of starting 3$ Spin & Gos are between 2-10x

8000 / 100000 = 6x buyin for the winner (8%) - 98.9% of starting 3$ Spin & Gos are between 2-6x

16510 / 100000 = 4x buyin for the winner (16.51%) - 90.9% of starting 3$ Spin & Gos are between 2-4x

74380 / 100000 = 2x buyin for the winner (74.38%)


7$ or higher Spin & Go


5 / 100000 = 1000x buyin for the winner (0.005%) - also pays 100x for second and third
10 / 100000 = 200x buyin for the winner (0.01%) - also pays 20x for second and third
15 / 100000 = 100x buyin for the winner (0.015%) - also pays 10x for second and third
80 / 100000 = 25x buyin for the winner (0.08%)

1000 / 100000 = 10x buyin for the winner (1%) - 99.9% of starting 7$ or higher Spin & Gos are between 2-10x

8000 / 100000 = 6x buyin for the winner (8%) - 98.9% of starting 7$ or higher Spin & Gos are between 2-6x

18010 / 100000 = 4x buyin for the winner (18.01%) - 90.9% of starting 7$ or higher Spin & Gos are between 2-4x

72880 / 100000 = 2x buyin for the winner (72.88%)




Good Luck.

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I think that spin and go are a great form to play
 
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Well, because you can lose a lot and can't earn much. I don't play spin and go.
 
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It can be very profitable but i dnt like it cuz 1 day i got 20$+ in spin n go and the next day i couldnt win 1 hand and lost 50$
 
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Dude dont talk nonsense. Please just dont.
 
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My biggest win was in this format of the tournament. Later, however, all lost )
 
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I found this on a website that may answer your questions better than I can.

Experience over time is what will help you, everyone thinks aggression is the only way to win these, I agree in a way, but it won't be your aggression that helps you win only, it is using your opponents aggression against them that I win many games against over aggressive players.








Good Luck.

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Exactly. There is such a diversity of players at spin n gos, that your most important skill is to know what opponents you are up against, and adjust accordingly.
Never bluffing against calling stations, letting aggrotards hang themselves with too much bluffing, etc. Sure, the rake is kind of high, but with the vast majority of players being pretty bad (literally 80% of players you meet at $1 spins have some glaring leak) it's still very possible to profit in spin n gos.
On pokerstars website is a more exact list of what odds you have on hitting certain multipliers, along with the rake each level takes.
I'm not sure if I've reached a profitable strategy in spin n gos yet, I don't think I've played nearly enough of them. Funny to see all the haters being like "I can't win, so it must be impossible to win, stay away from that game. It's impossible to win because of rake, bla bla bla...".
Even if I can't win at it right now, doesn't mean it's impossible to.
 
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Well said, I especially liked the part

"Funny to see all the haters being like "I can't win, so it must be impossible to win, stay away from that game. It's impossible to win because of rake, bla bla bla..."

You said it well, good post.

I can sometimes become an agrotard at the low end if I hit a hand I'll gamble a buck on it and shove, sometimes it works sometimes not, but the $3 there are nutters also but more that are willing to wait to work out who is who, I love a first hand shover, they usually think you wont call. 😆

At the $7 and higher games you dont find many agro fish.

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For those who have the right strategy and large enough bankroll it is a profitable game. I see all the time people playing too aggressive or too tight in this format, so I think you can definetely make money there. It's just that you have to play thousands of games to get one of those big prizes.
 
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For those who have the right strategy and large enough bankroll it is a profitable game. I see all the time people playing too aggressive or too tight in this format, so I think you can definitely make money there. It's just that you have to play thousands of games to get one of those big prizes.

That shouldn't matter, we should't be playing unless we are bankrolled correctly for the stakes we are playing.

I've also said it before don't button raise just for the sake of button raising, save those chips for your big hands, it also gains you some respect as a tight player and they tend to respect your bets more when you do steal the blinds from the button after you have worked out if your opponents will let you get away with it.

Standard poker can get you into trouble in these games, work out who you are playing against very quickly and take advantage of them, if they let you see a flop for free be happy, don't waste chips defending your BB if your hand is shitty.

I hit a lot of 2x games like everyone does but I also play a lot of 4x 6x 10x games, I've even won a $3. 25x game also.


25x prize.

iirc this guy was one of those that are over agrressive, he sucked out or had the better hand a couple of times then he hung himself.



Woo hoo5



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What I mean is that you need a bigger bankroll than playing regular sit&gos because the variance is much bigger.
 
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spin&go is not profitable game

Its a 1st rule for me now - Don't play spin&go :deal: if you don't want to lose money
 
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