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Scared money = dead money, or not necessarily?
Because one of my friends who was playing live mtt, had A6o from the big blind with 10bb left at the final table, down to 6 players in 30-man mtt and 5 players get paid. Small blind with 16bb decided to shove against him. My friend instant called and rolls over A6o and says "i know u don't have anything". The guy rolls over 59o. Btw, there were 2 short-stacks at cutoff and button who only had 4bb and 6bb. The guy with 59o is amazed at my friend's call and asks "how can u call with A6o?" My friend then responds "haha, how can you shove with 59o?" The guy obviously says "well, I was hoping you fold." then my friend responds "and you expect me to fold when I have a better hand? A6o > 59o. I knew u didn't have anything and I was correct. I made the right call."
My friend won the hand bcz no 5 and 9 came up. The guy who lost his stack was frustrated and angry at my friend's call. My friend then says "it's a $13($10 + $3) tourney with one rebuy................. But even if this was wsop main event, my decision doesn't change against you. If I was scared of bubbling, I wouldn't play in the first place. And I heard bubble gets their buyin back"(this is another question. is this true? He tells me bubble of main event gets 10k back and ppl who itm gets 20k, hence more reason to not fear bubble bcz worst that happens is getting ur buyin back)
Funny thing is, next rotation, where my friend is the big blind, everyone folded and action was to small blind again. My friend simply matched his stack of 4.5bb or so and put it in his hand and asks him "u gonna shove?" while holding 2To, implying that he's gonna call. The small blind pussies out and decides to fold. My friend rolls over and shows it but then tells him "either way, I was gonna call because it's a DOYLE BRUNSON'S HAND!!!!!" few hands later, the guy who shoved with 59o bubbled out bcz he had 44 and other player had QQ.
My friend got 2nd place. As we walked out of the home game tourney, he was laughing and telling me how it's pathetic people fear bubble play. He tells me as long as you're keeping within your bankroll management and you can be in that position hundreds of times since this social $13 mtt is held once a week, and roughly 50 times a year, there's nothing wrong with the call. He tells me scared money = dead money. Tells me bubble play puts people to the test and people who play scared are dead money. He then told me to ask online what you guys think of this since you can fire up hundreds of sngs at once. Although I disagree and would've folded because with A6o, you would still bust out 30-50% of the time and your M zone is more than double of small stacks, it's an interesting situation. I mostly played and dominated 9-player sngs from 30 cent dailydollar satellites to $5 double deuce satellite games. I played microstake satellite sngs on full tilt, 16-tabling but even I would've folded in that spot. But this is due to my different payout structure where top 3 gets paid the same whereas he was playing typical sng where payout is inflated towards 1st place. I used to play before Black Friday occurred.
It reminded me of a thread long time ago. I even called with pocket Jacks and cc thought even this call was horrible.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/keeping-short-stack-alive-bully-middle-175147/
What do you guys think of this hand? Was it a good call or bad call?
Because one of my friends who was playing live mtt, had A6o from the big blind with 10bb left at the final table, down to 6 players in 30-man mtt and 5 players get paid. Small blind with 16bb decided to shove against him. My friend instant called and rolls over A6o and says "i know u don't have anything". The guy rolls over 59o. Btw, there were 2 short-stacks at cutoff and button who only had 4bb and 6bb. The guy with 59o is amazed at my friend's call and asks "how can u call with A6o?" My friend then responds "haha, how can you shove with 59o?" The guy obviously says "well, I was hoping you fold." then my friend responds "and you expect me to fold when I have a better hand? A6o > 59o. I knew u didn't have anything and I was correct. I made the right call."
My friend won the hand bcz no 5 and 9 came up. The guy who lost his stack was frustrated and angry at my friend's call. My friend then says "it's a $13($10 + $3) tourney with one rebuy................. But even if this was wsop main event, my decision doesn't change against you. If I was scared of bubbling, I wouldn't play in the first place. And I heard bubble gets their buyin back"(this is another question. is this true? He tells me bubble of main event gets 10k back and ppl who itm gets 20k, hence more reason to not fear bubble bcz worst that happens is getting ur buyin back)
Funny thing is, next rotation, where my friend is the big blind, everyone folded and action was to small blind again. My friend simply matched his stack of 4.5bb or so and put it in his hand and asks him "u gonna shove?" while holding 2To, implying that he's gonna call. The small blind pussies out and decides to fold. My friend rolls over and shows it but then tells him "either way, I was gonna call because it's a DOYLE BRUNSON'S HAND!!!!!" few hands later, the guy who shoved with 59o bubbled out bcz he had 44 and other player had QQ.
My friend got 2nd place. As we walked out of the home game tourney, he was laughing and telling me how it's pathetic people fear bubble play. He tells me as long as you're keeping within your bankroll management and you can be in that position hundreds of times since this social $13 mtt is held once a week, and roughly 50 times a year, there's nothing wrong with the call. He tells me scared money = dead money. Tells me bubble play puts people to the test and people who play scared are dead money. He then told me to ask online what you guys think of this since you can fire up hundreds of sngs at once. Although I disagree and would've folded because with A6o, you would still bust out 30-50% of the time and your M zone is more than double of small stacks, it's an interesting situation. I mostly played and dominated 9-player sngs from 30 cent dailydollar satellites to $5 double deuce satellite games. I played microstake satellite sngs on full tilt, 16-tabling but even I would've folded in that spot. But this is due to my different payout structure where top 3 gets paid the same whereas he was playing typical sng where payout is inflated towards 1st place. I used to play before Black Friday occurred.
It reminded me of a thread long time ago. I even called with pocket Jacks and cc thought even this call was horrible.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/keeping-short-stack-alive-bully-middle-175147/
What do you guys think of this hand? Was it a good call or bad call?
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