Why do I even slow play this at all?

Okay last night I'm in a 6 man SnG and the blinds are out 50/100. I have been raising for about the last 4 hands and taken down the blinds. We are down to three and the other 2 are playing very tight. I get dealt Kd,Ks on the button. I limp here ( I don't know why I do this I always get burned) hoping to get raised. Instead both players call. The flop comes Qs, 7s, 2d. Villian 1 bets 1/2 pot 150, villian 2 raises to 900. Now it is to me what do I do in this situation?

Also stack sizes were
Villian 1 1800
Villian 2 4000+
Me-- 2100

I'll let you know what happened later on.

That would of been an instant push if it was me!!

Well first a raise there very well couldve gotten a call anyway. By the 5th raise your not gonna be getting creditfor a hand.

BUT:

If played as stated... I wouldve shoved allin as well.

Insta-shove.


Btw, if you're raising a lot, don't suddenly slow play a monster hand. Anyone who's paying attention will have alarm bells going off when you do, where they'd be more likely to pay you off if you just kept playing it fast. Anyone who's not paying attention isn't someone who you want to slow play against anyway as they tend to be fish.

thepokerkid123 said:

Insta-shove.


Btw, if you're raising a lot, don't suddenly slow play a monster hand. Anyone who's paying attention will have alarm bells going off when you do, where they'd be more likely to pay you off if you just kept playing it fast. Anyone who's not paying attention isn't someone who you want to slow play against anyway as they tend to be fish.

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I was just hoping that after raising pot after pot and then just limping in that maybe they would sense weakness and re raise me. Looking back on it maybe a big raise would have been good here for they would have thought I was raising to much and maybe would have gotten a loose call.

I think you are all concentrating on the wrong part of the post. Sure, being aggro then cooling down may be a warning sign of a monster, and doing so may or may not be a bad thing. But the thing I think you are all missing is the OP said the other two were playing very tight. If they were playing very tight then suddenly betting aggressively, I'd give them credit for something pretty big. maybe a set, two pair, or (best case scenario AQ).

If I were the OP, I would fold. Against a single tight better I might see the turn and re-evaluate from there (but in this case the 900 raise essentially sets you all in on the river if opponent bets again and you deside to continue). But with a tight better and a tight re-raiser this becomes more complicated. So with all this considered, along with the fact that the initial better has yet to act, I would say you shoulda folded.

Unless they were just playing very tight because you were raising everything and were in fact not that tight at all, they were just not getting dealt hands that could play back at you. But with the info presented in the post.... yeah, fold.

ok so having raised 4 times in a row, this would be the perfect time to make a raise here again, being on the button they might just think your running the table over and make a resteal or just play back at you in general.. tight players generally wont make big steals or play back at you without a hand, so your idea of them sensing weakness and raising isnt correct, would be correct against a loose bully maniac type... the only time you can jusify slowplaying kk or aa in a sng is when your a shortstack and your looking to create action. even then, on the button with under 10 bb's its a shove for me, i would slowplay if there was 8 or so people at the table and i was in early position, id limp with kk or aa looking to get raised.

as it stands you have no idea where your at and are forced to guess, two tight players betting, and your on the bubble which is a consideration, if you fold you remain at 20 bb with a big chance of hitting the money. so its up to you, but if you feel you can outplay your opponants then i would suggest folding(especially as the guy with 1800 is lower, and could be busted out this hand) especially against two tight players on the bubble who can be easily exploited.

the problem you face though is that your right you didnt show any strength preflop (a good player may see the call as strength, but we can assume they are bad, playing tight on the bubble) he could easily be raising a queen here thinking its good running a bluff betting a flush draw etc. there are times and places where its good to slowplay kk or aa preflop, but this isnt one of them.

Auto Push here for me. You would be very unlucky not to come out on top of this hand. The fact you were a touch loose in the 4 previous hands might send the red flags up the pole with your reraise.

Well I did end up shoving. The raiser had Q, 7 for two pair. They held up and I was out of the tourney. I was obviously kicking myself because the slow play alout the blind into the hand and he made two pair.

A friend of mine slowplays AA and KK and insists I do, too. But every time he loses money.

I probably would of shoved at that point. But, then again with a raise and then another raise right in front of me I would probably have to think about it. The first one probably has a pair/flush draw and the other has at least a pair if not two pair/trips.

You could of played that hand way better. You should of raised 3-5 times the blind pre-flop with that hand. KK and AA are notorious for getting busted by crappy cards. After that flop and there are 2 players with you that have been playing tight all this time, you should of folded.

The bottomline is you didn't raise to get crappy hands out of the pot and in the end it cost you your tourney. Sorry, as much as it sucks it has happened to all of us numerous time. We have all taste the burn of KK and AA getting cracked and it hurts LOL.

Then again you could of raised and someone might of call you with crappy hands just to see the flop. In that environment and at that level of the tournament a big raise or all-in might of been the best move.

With flushes on the board you never know what your up against, especially with tight/conservative players.

Rikimaroo

Bad luck on that one, Canucks.

Given the state of the game and stack sizes I am probably folding here and kicking myself for not being aggressive preflop. There are just too many possibilities to put my life one the line here. What messes it up for me is the SB weakish bet of 150 - it smacks of having got a bit of the flop, flush draw etc., so the BB raise is to bluff the SB off their J7, or they have QJ/KQ and want a call from SB or just about any other scenario. There is the added complication that your previous aggression means the BB is only playing big hands or are happy to try and force their way to a pot with nothing much.

Horrible situation = fold.

Ok there are times when you can "slow play" AA or KK but against 2 tight players is not time IMO because it allows them to see a flop with a hand they normally wouldn't if you raised.But if you have a good read on the tqable and have a LAG sitting after you then you could probably limp with the good chances the LAG will raise and thus setting the trap.

In this scenario I would have folded especially if i knew they were very tight and just reraised, but like I said before if they are that tight then continue to raise they will let you know when they have a hand because they will probably come over the top.

Definately push after raising last four hands... sounds like you couldn't have gotten a better time to get KK

With KK & AA i ask u never to limp preflop....
Instead u should always raise 4xBB...
Limping should always be done post flop buddy...
Many players try to limp with AA / KK preflop, which is a blunder....

And in this case as u have allowed them to see the flop cheaply, and as they have raised and re-raised the bet, i think your over pair is no good here...
Just fold ur pocket Ks now, cause most probably one of them had hit a trips or 2 pair....

I would have raised more preflop. After seeing them betting and them being that tight, I would have folded. I too thought one had trips, the other two pair. Good luck.

if these two players are tight and folding to my raises preflop. I think i can let this hand go after flop, even after i try slowplaying this hand.( i feel that was a huge mistake, why compound it by paying them off ) and seeing how aggressive they got on this hand .i would guess im behind at this point.
besides them being so tight, i feel i can steal from them in a better situation .
we have no information on this hand and we do not have allot invested in it yet. so folding i feel is our best option.

I wouldn't limp with a hand like that, I would want to be up against at least a good A. If the flop sees an A, I would watch out. A lot of players think any A is a good A.