Whether to call the short stack with a weak hand?

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A very difficult question, honorable members. That's what the situation is. The tournament, to 100. The bubble man sitting at the table short stacks (less than 10 big blinds or so). Put All in. With what cards to call (I have more than 40 big blinds)?I am seen many times as called from the debris (randomly hand ) and beat AK, KK, and the like. Minus any call 10BB? Please answer, thank you.
 
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22,A2,K5,K2s,Q9,Q7s,JT,J8s,T9s is what John Nash would say you could call with in a vacuum(and assuming there are no other players left to act), but it doesnt consider the villan or your tourney equity- so somewhat tighter than that is probably the right answer



 
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Thank you, I will keep in mind.
 
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I've noticed with some cardrooms that if a short stack shoves, the cards are in his favor. I have watched 80% of the time that when someone does shove, they lose to the short stack. So dont go in for it unless you have a pair in your hand.
 
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It's the principle of pot odds, which says even if your hand is weaker and you'll lose more often, it's compensated by the money already put in the middle, so in the long run you make a profit which is why you see people calling shortstack shoves in the big blind because they're closing the action and are getting good oddd to call. There are shortstack shoving ranges and calling ranges depending on their stack sizes. I suggest you check that out.
 
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You should probably try and figure out whether the shover is a reg or not and then you can get a grasp on their range. Once you know what their range is, you can go about figuring what range you can call with. Using a tool like HRC, you can input a hand, assign a range and figure out straight away what range you can profitably call with. I'll tell you know it's likely wider than whatever you think it is.

I've noticed with some cardrooms that if a short stack shoves, the cards are in his favor. I have watched 80% of the time that when someone does shove, they lose to the short stack. So dont go in for it unless you have a pair in your hand.
 
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I would become familiar with pot odds and equity of various hands a long with ranging opponents if you want to make your decision making in this spot easier and profitable in the long term.

For example, The blinds are 2k 4k with Ante 500. You have 170,000. Short Stack has 21000.

If the player has been playing loose or recently lost a few big pots you can predict his range to shove here as being lose. His position is also important as he will be shoving tighter in EP. If the player has been playing tight as a rock, blinding down and only ever showing premium hands you can presume his range here will still be tight. For the sake of this example lets say the loose player is shipping the top 20% of hands here and the tight player perhaps the top 10%.

Top 10% range looks like:

88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo

Top 20% range looks like:

66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

Now with 9 players in the pot that puts 4.5k in antes plus the blinds of 6k, so 10.5K total. When villain ships for 21k in this spot from a position not in the blinds you are getting odds of 1.5:1(ish) or 60/40.

This means that if your hand has a 40% chance of winning then the call is mathematically correct. A hand such as K5s has these odds against a 20% range or ATs against a 10%.

From the BB you get even better odds as you already have 4k invested. So you only need call 17K to win 31.5k, not far off 2:1, meaning you only need 33%. An example would be J9o against a 20% range and K8s against a 10% range.

The careful thing to note here however is that this MATHEMATICALLY correct only. It does not take into consideration other players left to act behind you, table dynamic, player differences, pay jumps, tournament stage etc so may not be the OPTIMUM play in a specific situation.

However by familiarising yourself with this sort of concept there are spots where you can correctly call all in shoves with cards that may at first glance appear very light, this can be especially useful in turbo tournaments where the need to take risk is increased, especially as the blind levels increase. Using other tools such as fold equity and table image can also be beneficial here, along with playing close attention to other stack sizes at the table.

I tried to explain this briefly as best I could to demonstrate the concept. You may find it beneficial to download a programme called pokerstove to familiarise yourself with these sorts of ranges and equity.
 
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As deck mentioned above,I would normally play according to player image and hand range. If he his tight he would have shove with 15. To 20 % of hands,I would then call with 10% of my hand range vice versa apart from late position where I would definitely call with more wider range, as there are less player to act behind me
 
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First you should see your position.
I love to call with only a premium hand, because I don't wand my opponent to get "a new life".

If I on BB and all other players folded, I can think Mathematiclly if I have nice cards.
 
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