When to shove

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What do you think is the current level for shoving, is it still around 10bb and what would be the lowest hand you would shove with or is position more important than the hand strength.
 
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I think position and action in front as well as chipstacks behind you should all factor into your shoving range. I wouldn't want to be shoving J8o with 10bb's into a LAG with 50+bb's. Could be wrong in that thinking but it's bit more than paid off in situations like that.

Also don't want to be stacking off with A7 to an UTG raise with 10bb's. Of course this is all situational my decision might change if I find myself to be at a 2-1 chip disadvantage to everyone at the table.
 
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It really depends on the time of the tournament. If its early in the tournament and you have 10bb some players might take you on because its not a threat to their stack. But if you have 10 bb towards the end of a tournament more than likely there will be a few other people around your stack also depending on structure,. But for me its usually 10bb 88+ AJ+ shove in early position and alittle wider towards the button any pair KJ+. Also be cautious of how many times your shoving unless your only shoving premiums because some players will catch on and make some thin calls
 
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As for me, I shove when I have about 12-18BB. I dont want to wait until I'm 10BB or shorter.

Actually, I shove when the opportunity is right. Good luck.
 
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I shove already with under 20 BB, especially when antes are in play. But i play more feeling based, still looking for a good mtt shove chart.
Harlekin, if you have 9 or 8 BB, there is not much post flop play, at least you have no chips for the turn :)
 
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I agree with the other posters I think it is very dependent on the situation and table position,

I would certainly be wanting to pick my moments to shove against the more passive players to steal blinds and improve my doubling up equity.
 
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wait for your moment and pick a good spot, i wouldn't limit myself to just 10bb shoves or less example if you have someone who's raising light go ahead and reshove a lot under 20bb, most of the time you'll pick up chips, remember you dont want to end up in the situation where you only have 10bbs and only an option of shoving or folding, you need to maintain a decent stack so when those big hands come you can get maximum value!
 
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I dont have a set range that I would shove with when im short other than the premium hands. I just wouldnt let myself get under 10bbs. You have to know what kinds of hands players will call you with. You dont want to be shoving any ace because in certain situations, a call would mean that you are crushed. I just try to gamble early and avoid getting short especially when the avg stack is like 30bbs. Its hard to recover when you get really short stacked.
 
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i prefer finding a good situation over a good hand however what i prefer is not always the best action because players today call for no apparent reason.so yeah i still look for a good situation but should probably have a little something to because most likely getting called. i started playing pretty young and it wasnt always like this
 
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I like to get it in with the best hand. Every table and situation is different. I think your hand strength should be stronger shoving under 10 bb's or less vs 12-15. I feel you are more likely to get called with 10 bb's or less. Being the first to open is also key when short. It is easier to shove 44 with 10 bb's than to call an all in with 44. Good luck all!
 
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I would say start looking for a place to shove about 21BB, try to make sure you have position, and you are heads up! Very important.
 
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What do you think is the current level for shoving, is it still around 10bb and what would be the lowest hand you would shove with or is position more important than the hand strength.
Lowest hand I would shove with would be 32o (although I'd prefer it to be 32s)

Seriously though, there are many factors to consider. You might want to take a look at a shove chart to gain a better understanding.
 
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I agree with PO.

I don't think you can just give a certain number of BB or which hands to shove.
There are way to many variables.

example is; if you have someone who's really, really nitty in the BB then it's always going to be profitable to shove any two cards vs this certain player in general. However; if you have a complete maniac who calls anything; then you have to tighten your shoving range and basically make value shoves as opposed to steal shoves based on his calling ranges.
 
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I agree with PO.

I don't think you can just give a certain number of BB or which hands to shove.
There are way to many variables.

example is; if you have someone who's really, really nitty in the BB then it's always going to be profitable to shove any two cards vs this certain player in general. However; if you have a complete maniac who calls anything; then you have to tighten your shoving range and basically make value shoves as opposed to steal shoves based on his calling ranges.


im sayin JJ or AApre requires a shove and only that. is what i go by lol!

lol i just shoved AA on carbon and got cracked by tens but hey thats how it goes :)
 
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JJ or better generally is my shove hand, but, if in position 56 o or suited will be okl
 
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Oh position is the most important and also some other factors to consider. I perhaps will shove two face cards, suited aces, small pairs.
 
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I agree with PO.

I don't think you can just give a certain number of BB or which hands to shove.
There are way to many variables.

example is; if you have someone who's really, really nitty in the BB then it's always going to be profitable to shove any two cards vs this certain player in general. However; if you have a complete maniac who calls anything; then you have to tighten your shoving range and basically make value shoves as opposed to steal shoves based on his calling ranges.
this ^

note: there's some really bad advice given by posters in this thread
advice: sift through it, but read Ram's over again!
 
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Shove early, shove often. It's only your tournament life (which isn't worth living anyway)!
 
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